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INTELLIGENT DESIGN: Teaching children the truth [Cal Thomas gets it]
Miami Herald ^ | 28 December 2005 | CAL THOMAS

Posted on 12/28/2005 3:49:52 AM PST by PatrickHenry

US. District Judge John E. Jones III's decision to bar the teaching of ''intelligent design'' in the Dover, Pa., public school district on grounds that it is a thinly veiled effort to introduce a religious view of the world's origins is welcome for at least two reasons.

First, it exposes the sham attempt to take through the back door what proponents have no chance of getting through the front door. Jones rebuked advocates of ''intelligent design,'' saying they repeatedly lied about their true intentions. He noted that many of them had said publicly that their intent was to introduce into the schools a biblical account of creation. Jones properly wondered how people who claim to have such strong religious convictions could lie, thus violating prohibitions in the book that they proclaim as their source of truth and standard for living.

Culture has long passed by advocates of intelligent design, school prayer and numerous other beliefs and practices that were once tolerated, even promoted, in public education. People who think that they can reclaim the past have been watching too many repeats of Leave it to Beaver on cable television. Those days are not coming back anytime soon, if at all.

Culture, including the culture of education, now opposes what it once promoted or at least tolerated. The secular left, which resists censorship in all its forms when it comes to sex, library books and assigned materials that teach the ''evils'' of capitalism and ''evil America,'' is happy to censor any belief that can be tagged ``religious.''

Jones' ruling will be appealed and after it is eventually and predictably upheld by a Supreme Court dominated by Republican appointees (Jones was named to the federal bench by President Bush, who has advocated the teaching of creation), those who have tried to make the state do its job for them will have yet another opportunity to wise up.

This leads to the second reason for welcoming Jones' ruling. It should awaken religious conservatives to the futility of trying to make a secular state reflect their beliefs. Too many people have wasted too much time and money since the 1960s, when prayer and Bible reading were outlawed in public schools, trying to get these and a lot of other things restored. The modern secular state should not be expected to teach Genesis 1, or any other book of the Bible, or any other religious text.

That the state once did such things, or at least did not undermine what parents taught their children, is irrelevant. The culture in which we now live no longer reflects the beliefs of our grandparents' generation.

For better, or for worse (and a strong case can be made that things are much worse), people who cling to the beliefs of previous generations have been given another chance to do what they should have been doing all along.

Religious parents should exercise the opportunity that has always been theirs. They should remove their children from state schools with their ''instruction manuals'' for turning them into secular liberals and place them in private schools -- or home school them -- where they will be taught the truth, according to their parents' beliefs. Too many parents who would never send their children to a church on Sunday that taught doctrines they believed to be wrong have had no problem placing them in state schools five days a week where they are taught conflicting doctrines and ideas.

Private schools or home schooling costs extra money (another reason to favor school choice) and extra time, but what is a child worth? Surely, a child is more valuable than material possessions.

Our children are our letters to the future. It's up to parents to decide whether they want to send them ''first class'' or ``postage due.''

Rulings such as this should persuade parents who've been waffling to take their kids and join the growing exodus from state schools into educational environments more conducive to their beliefs.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: calthomas; creationism; crevolist; intelligentdesign; schools; scienceeducation
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To: TN4Bush

My husband and I also pay high taxes for a school system we do not benefit from, because we did not have children at all. However, we don't complain about it because it is beneficial to society to educate its future citizens. We don't expect a refund simply because we did not reproduce, yet you want one because you just don't want to use the public schools.


21 posted on 12/28/2005 5:04:30 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Physicist
reinstituting what was evil

No matter what you think about ID or creationism, it certainly doesn't constitute any form of "evil". You've got a complex. Denying deity to science isn't evil, unless science is to be considered a religion. Perhaps this is true for you.

22 posted on 12/28/2005 5:05:43 AM PST by SampleMan
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To: linda_22003

WHy do you put up with them confiscating your money and spraying it all over the place for ANYTHING beyond Constitutional limits? The peoblem isn't just education and schools- it's everywhere the government has exceeded it's role.

You're swallowing the socialist line quite nicely. You would have made a good Democrat in the 60s with that kind of thinking. I'm not trying to be obnoxious, but step back and look at what you are accepting.


23 posted on 12/28/2005 5:13:46 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I looked for common sense with a telescope. All I could see was the moon of Uranus.)
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To: hawkaw
Now this creationism etc. can be taught in religious courses since they are belief based.

Don't make me say it.

24 posted on 12/28/2005 5:14:49 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I looked for common sense with a telescope. All I could see was the moon of Uranus.)
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To: SampleMan
No matter what you think about ID or creationism, it certainly doesn't constitute any form of "evil".

It corrupts Christians and leads them to lie.

25 posted on 12/28/2005 5:15:40 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (so natural to mankind is intolerance in whatever they really care about - J S Mill)
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To: PatrickHenry
I'm about to ramble, but I hope these thoughts have some coherence:

As I say often in these matters, we need to keep in mind the difference between the policy argument (whether teaching, or mentioning, ID is a "good idea") and the legal argument (whether it is prohibited by the Constitution. The two answers are not necessarily identical.

Two topics I try not to get entangled in on FR (coward that I am): evolution/creation and the Civil War/War Between the States. But I will say that it appears to me that the principled exercise of "the scientific method" would limit the broad conclusions ascribed to each theory, to varying degrees. As I understand it, evolution says that living things adapt to their environment - true enough. Various disease organisms develop resistance to antibiotics, etc. My understanding (which could be dead wrong, my last science course was almost 30 years ago!) is that evidence for evolution as the sole avenue for the presence of all species past and present is much weaker and depends on inferences, which may indeed be logical based on the present fossil record. But evolution seems to be used as political shorthand by some for the proposition that "we have proved that God did NOT create the universe. life, etc. and in fact there is no God." Again, that conclusion seems a "reach" to me as well, given the limitations of the evidence and the "rules" governing the scientific method. This is flame-bait I know, but I think evolution and creation answer different questions and are not inconsistent. Just my opinion.

I certainly think the ideal of free public education is a good one, and has in the past done our country a lot of good. But perhaps like unions, etc. the original ills the public schools were designed to address are not replaced by the abuses resulting from the public school system itself. To a large degree the system is broken - lacking discipline, a "warehousing" mentality, political indoctrination, etc. I know many teachers work hard, and I'm not putting the majority of the blame on them. I'm sure many of them are frustrated too. I know vouchers have of course been proposed as a solution. My biggest fear, though, is that with an influx of students and the inevitable "strings" that would come with government (i.e., taxpayers') money the character of private schools would change. God bless those who have the time and inclination to home school.
26 posted on 12/28/2005 5:29:22 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: KeyWest

> The problem is not to shift children from public to private or home school them. The problem is money and a voice in spending that money.

There have been several attempts for IDers to get onto the school board around here. They have failed spectacularly. I was not the least bit surprised that everyone who was up for election on the Dover schoolboard and who advocated ID was defeated. This subject is a loser in an election. The average person does not want a religious nutjob in charge of their kids. Unfortunately, the anti-religious nutjobs do a much better job of concealing their true motives, so they get elected.

What is needed is a board that is concerned about teaching basics instead of teaching either religion or anti-religion. I don't see it happening, though.


27 posted on 12/28/2005 5:33:00 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: Just mythoughts
right. . .and saying that the solution is to "abandon" the government school for private or home schooling ignores the reality. "Abandon" is a euphemism for "retreat". The additional target of the left is to eliminate all present alternatives to the public school system. Do people think it is a coincidence that liberals are against: vouchers, home schooling, tax exemptions for private religious schools, etc?

When a army turns, cuts and runs. . .that's when the slaughter begins. . .let's take the fight to the enemy ON HIS OWN TUFF!!LET US CONTINUE TO WHINE FOR JUSTICE!!!

Concede no territory that is God's!!

28 posted on 12/28/2005 5:33:31 AM PST by McBuff
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To: ovrtaxt

Well, that's the deal when we buy a house; some of our property taxes go to the schools. In return, the fact that we are in a VERY good school district has benefits for our property values.

Why do I put up with "confiscation"? It's the law where I live, and tax protesters have a way of living in drafty jail cells rather than comfortable houses like mine. What do you suggest I do, simply refuse to pay the $4500 a year? My freedom is worth rather more than that to me.


29 posted on 12/28/2005 5:37:58 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: stratocaster

Good post. I think I tried to touch on some of the same thoughts in my post 26.


30 posted on 12/28/2005 5:38:58 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: PatrickHenry

Government schools are abysmal on nearly every level. Even kids interested in real science are better off in a good private school that teaches creationism. I sent my kid to a private school like that and he's doing just fine as a science major in college.


31 posted on 12/28/2005 5:39:50 AM PST by Varda
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To: wolfcreek

Cal Thomas is the most-distributed conservative columnist out there. He is also associated with many Christian organizations. Not exactly a libertarian.


32 posted on 12/28/2005 5:43:38 AM PST by indcons
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Ask your son when the SOUL was inserted in the "human" species.


33 posted on 12/28/2005 5:44:27 AM PST by aumrl (OH MY feelings......)
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To: linda_22003

Yes, it's the law, but I'm not going to just roll over and take it. Laws can be changed. (And I agree, tax protesters are fighting a losing battle on a dirty, unwinnable playing field.)

Go to http://www.fairtax.org

That's the beginning of the solution. It abolishes all federal taxes and replaces them with a retail sales tax. Changes the whole game, and changes the psychology of the dependency class.


34 posted on 12/28/2005 5:44:43 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I looked for common sense with a telescope. All I could see was the moon of Uranus.)
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To: thoughtomator

And you may, in fact, be wildly wrong about those who you think "elect" to be childless.

I know quite a few also, but as I have gotten to know some of them better, I have found that more than a few of them tried like hell to have kids, tried IVF, and nothing worked.

Just a thought.


35 posted on 12/28/2005 5:53:34 AM PST by dmz
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To: ovrtaxt

" It abolishes all federal taxes and replaces them with a retail sales tax. Changes the whole game"

Yes; and would certainly shut down this consumer-based economy in a hurry. That's changing the game, all right!


36 posted on 12/28/2005 5:54:30 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003

You need to take another look. An economy based on debt will eventually implode anyway.


37 posted on 12/28/2005 5:56:42 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I looked for common sense with a telescope. All I could see was the moon of Uranus.)
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To: PatrickHenry
I was raised is a different culture where inquiry was encouraged rather than catechism, of either camp. We were taught comparative religion in one class and evolutionary biology in another, and encouraged to question in both. The Balkanization of the discussion of the origin of life on Earth and in our universe goes against all that I hold dear about intellectual inquiry. It reminds me of the Balkanization of the abortion issue -- both sides are wrong but neither wants the other to win any ground.

In the origin of species debate, not only do the evolutionist deny the holes in their explanation, they deny the right to question these gaps. The intelligent designers fail in many ways, but are not so dogmatic about criticism, although they do not like being asked to explain who designed the intelligence in the first place -- any all the philosophical flaws that flow from that question.
38 posted on 12/28/2005 6:00:34 AM PST by picti
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To: ovrtaxt

It's pointless for the two sides to come to an agreement over this issue. Overall, we should, as conservatives, agree that the government has no place in education, since they suck so bad at it.

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Well said! Agreeing that government education is not healthy for our children and yet arguing that our only recourse is to ignore it, does not address the problem. Tax money should not be used for harmful agencies and institutions.


39 posted on 12/28/2005 6:01:25 AM PST by maica (We are fighting the War for the Free World and the media is not on our side.)
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To: wolfcreek
I'm guessing Cal's a Libertarian?

I don't know. He's definitely a Christian. And a conservative. There are Christian libertarians, so he could be that and conservative too. I don't see that as an incompatible mix, although I'm sure that others do. It sounds like a description of some of the Founders, actually. But that's a whole separate topic.

40 posted on 12/28/2005 6:01:37 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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