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Bush was denied wiretaps, bypassed them (FISA Court denied them in unprecedented numbers)
UPI ^ | Dec. 27, 2005 | UPI

Posted on 12/27/2005 10:47:23 AM PST by Pragmatic_View

WASHINGTON, Dec. 26 (UPI) -- U.S. President George Bush decided to skip seeking warrants for international wiretaps because the court was challenging him at an unprecedented rate.

A review of Justice Department reports to Congress by Hearst newspapers shows the 26-year-old Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court modified more wiretap requests from the Bush administration than the four previous presidential administrations combined.

The 11-judge court that authorizes FISA wiretaps modified only two search warrant orders out of the 13,102 applications approved over the first 22 years of the court's operation.

But since 2001, the judges have modified 179 of the 5,645 requests for surveillance by the Bush administration, the report said. A total of 173 of those court-ordered "substantive modifications" took place in 2003 and 2004. And, the judges also rejected or deferred at least six requests for warrants during those two years -- the first outright rejection of a wiretap request in the court's history.


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abovethelaw; alqaeda; fisa; gwot; heroic; homelandsecurity; nsa; patriotleak; spying; terrorattack; terrorism; wiretap; wiretaps; wot
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To: jw777

But we better not debate so long, so as to paralize the nation and wake up to the smell of a nuke one morning.


101 posted on 12/27/2005 11:33:01 AM PST by Pragmatic_View
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To: Howlin

Because the bush administration was quietly roasting his chestnuts on an open fire...


102 posted on 12/27/2005 11:33:15 AM PST by xcamel (a system poltergeist stole it.)
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To: Dog

And notice the Appeals Court didn't agree with them.


103 posted on 12/27/2005 11:33:23 AM PST by Howlin (Defeatism may have its partisan uses, but it is not justified by the facts. - GWB, 12/18/05)
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To: GingisK

I swear every President from now on will be impeached until it does not mean anything because people are calling on impeachment for every single issue. I know it might not be true, but it just seems to be the writing on the wall. It will get to the point where a person will be questioned as to why he/she was not impeached during their tenure as President.


104 posted on 12/27/2005 11:33:25 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Howlin
Howlin, I generally agree with your POV. However, in this regard, I have to disagree.

This is a very slipperly slope that we are going down...and the ONLY reason the FReepers are behind it is because they feel that they can trust this administration.

I, on the other hand, tend to look at these issues with my Clintonista glasses on...and through those lenses, this troubles me....because some day, you and I are going to be labelled "terrorists"....

105 posted on 12/27/2005 11:33:28 AM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: Howlin

This is the case that the appeals court reversed in 2002.


106 posted on 12/27/2005 11:34:11 AM PST by Dog ( ABMcM(Anybody but McCain....except Bill Frist))
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To: ContemptofCourt

Only if you're taking calls from Uncle Fizel in Kabul...


107 posted on 12/27/2005 11:35:02 AM PST by xcamel (a system poltergeist stole it.)
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To: Howlin
Perhaps that's where all this "secret" information is coming from -- malcontents ON the Court who think only judges should decide matters like this?

You nailed them, Howlin.

Looks like they've had over three years for their bitterness to roil.

108 posted on 12/27/2005 11:35:39 AM PST by demkicker
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To: Howlin

From the looks of things they all were appointed by President Bush and not the democrats. Am I reading this right?


109 posted on 12/27/2005 11:35:48 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: ContemptofCourt

Haven't you read that previous administrations have done the exact same thing, without a word of complaint from the press?

Carter used NSA to spy on Iranians in contact with Americans. Clinton used NSA to spy on Americans, especially white supremists, after the Oklahoma City bombing.

So we've already slid down any slipper slope you're worried about.


110 posted on 12/27/2005 11:36:12 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: peyton randolph
"As they say, the Constitution is not a suicide pact."

I know you did not coin the phrase, but never the less it is a very disturbing cliche. It suggests that when the constitution gets in the way of agenda, yes, even if that agenda is national security, it is somehow OK to ignore it. This is not correct

How does adhering to the constitution and rule of law equate to being a suicide pact? There are procedure in place to change it if needed. No one gets to summarily dismiss it.
111 posted on 12/27/2005 11:36:38 AM PST by ndt
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To: Dog

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/july-dec02/bkgdcourt_8-23.html

Just scanned the posts, not sure if this info helps the discussion or not.


112 posted on 12/27/2005 11:36:39 AM PST by BARLF
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To: Peach

And yet now we are cheering it on?


113 posted on 12/27/2005 11:37:09 AM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: napscoordinator

They were all appointed by Rehnquist. Someone posted some detailed info about the FISA court.

Rehnquist was probably trying to be "fair and balanced".

It's time for Republicans to stop trying to be "fair and balanced" and appoint those who share their philosophy. The Dems would never be caught appointing Republicans to anything.


114 posted on 12/27/2005 11:38:26 AM PST by Pragmatic_View
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To: Dog

You beat me to it. We are definitely of like minds! See my post to Howlin in #108.


115 posted on 12/27/2005 11:38:52 AM PST by demkicker
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To: BARLF

From that link:

"PHILIP SHENON: The cases in which the court was clearly upset involved principally incident that happened during the Clinton Administration."

Was it an accidental typo that left off the "s" in the word incident?


116 posted on 12/27/2005 11:39:00 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Pragmatic_View
Suppose there were two rogue judges on this court. Judges who would reject every wiretap. Every time a 3-judge panel was formed, those judges would vote to at least modify the request. Furthermore, suppose that approximately half of the 5645 requests since 2001 were in the 2003-4 era. So, suppose there were 3000 requests in the high-rejection era (early part of 2001 would be slow).

If we chose a panel at random, the probability that you would get one of these rogue judges is 0.0545.

Multiply this by 3000 and you get 164 -- very close to the number of rejections in this era.

I am conjecturing that nearly all the modifications and rejections resulted from the same two judges being on the panel.

117 posted on 12/27/2005 11:39:13 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: Pragmatic_View

That was my first thought. Their collective memories are very short it appears.


118 posted on 12/27/2005 11:39:16 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: ContemptofCourt
This is a very slipperly slope that we are going down...

I know you and I usually agree, but think of it this way: you're right about the slippery slope, but it's not caused by US, it was caused by 40 years of unchecked LIBERALISM in the government. Think of all the outrageous rulings giving criminals/crooks/terrorits/illegals more rights than we have!

I see these moves as rectifying years and years of liberals run amuck -- and I swear I don't think Bush would do anything or ask for any rule that would hurt the general public, even in another administration.

Think of it this way: if George Bush and Dick Cheney had been in charge, do you think the trial against the first WTC bombers would have been in a civil court? Do you think that a district attorney appointed by George Bush would have handed over the BLUEPRINTS to the World Trade Center to the defense in that case? Hell no, because it wouldn't have been in a civil courtroom!

Wonder how long it took the "defense" in that case to photocopy those blue prints and send them to Osama bin Laden (hell, that lawyer, Lynn what's her name that was convicted of passing messengers with her clients in that trial, probably hand delivered them to him!)

119 posted on 12/27/2005 11:39:46 AM PST by Howlin (Defeatism may have its partisan uses, but it is not justified by the facts. - GWB, 12/18/05)
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To: Royal Wulff
Because going around the court when it denied your requests isn't exactly a stirring defense. Regardless of how justified it may have been. We always must remember that it's Bush today, Hillary tomorrow.

Using that logic, there may not BE any tomorrow.

Please, please, please STOP, people, from referring to a Hillary presidency as inevitable. It is NOT inevitable. In fact, it's a long shot, UNLESS people start accepting it as an inevitability.

120 posted on 12/27/2005 11:40:01 AM PST by alnick
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