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Permafrost Could Be Melting, Study Finds
AP on Yahoo ^ | 12/26/05 | AP

Posted on 12/26/2005 6:53:57 PM PST by NormsRevenge

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Climate change could thaw the top 11 feet of permafrost in most areas of the Northern Hemisphere by 2100, altering ecosystems across Alaska, Canada and Russia, according to a federal study.

Using supercomputers in the United States and Japan, the study calculated how frozen soil would interact with air temperatures, snow, sea ice changes and other processes. The most extreme scenario involved the melting of the top 11 feet of permafrost, or earth that remains frozen year-round.

"If that much near-surface permafrost thaws, it could release considerable amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, and that could amplify global warming," said lead author David Lawrence, with the National Center for Atmospheric Research. "We could be underestimating the rate of global temperature increase."

The study was published Dec. 17 in the journal Geophysical Research Letters and presented earlier in the month at a science conference in San Francisco.

A permafrost researcher at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, however, disagrees that the thaw could be so large. Alaska's permafrost won't melt that fast or deep, said Vladimir Romanovsky, who monitors a network of permafrost observatories for the Geophysical Institute.

If air temperatures increase 2 to 4 degrees over the next century, permafrost would begin thawing south of the Brooks Range and start degrading in some places on Alaska's Arctic slope, he said. But a prediction that melting will reach deeply over the entire region goes too far, he said.

The computer climate model didn't consider some natural factors that tend to keep the permafrost cold, Romanovsky said. For example, deeper permafrost, largely untouched by recent warming at the surface, would have an influence.

Lawrence said he hopes to collaborate with Romanovsky to fine-tune future studies to deal with those deeper layers.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Russia; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: bushsfault; globalwarming; melting; northernhemisphere; ormaybenot; permafrost
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To: NormsRevenge
Ack! What would become of the frozen tundra?


21 posted on 12/26/2005 7:29:15 PM PST by Daus
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To: Brad from Tennessee
AP on Yahoo wrote: ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Climate change could thaw the top 11 feet of permafrost in most areas of the Northern Hemisphere by 2100, altering ecosystems across Alaska, Canada and Russia, according to a federal study.

Using supercomputers in the United States and Japan, the study calculated how frozen soil would interact with air temperatures, snow, sea ice changes and other processes. The most extreme scenario involved the melting of the top 11 feet of permafrost, or earth that remains frozen year-round.


Brad from Tennessee wrote:"The only thing that is ever permanent is change."

< sarcasm>News bulletin: The number of hours of daylight has dropped from 15 hours to 9 hours in the New York area between June 21 and December 21. I think we need to lay contingency plans for the 100% disappearance of daylight forever, based upon current trends.

22 posted on 12/26/2005 7:29:28 PM PST by JBGUSA (If it's us or them, I choose us.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Using supercomputers in the United States and Japan, the study calculated how frozen soil would interact with air temperatures, snow, sea ice changes and other processes.

GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out)

23 posted on 12/26/2005 7:29:35 PM PST by GOPJ (War on Christmas? Celebrate the sweetness of forbidden customs -deck the halls with boughs of holly.)
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To: Normal4me

The last thing we need is trees growing in Alaska! Ever try drilling for oil with tree roots in the way? ;-)
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LOL. Poor Eskimos will have to set up cabinet shops and go drill oil in ANWR


24 posted on 12/26/2005 7:30:58 PM PST by Chickensoup (Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Chri)
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To: NormsRevenge

"If that much near-surface permafrost thaws, it could release considerable amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, and that could amplify global warming," said lead author David Lawrence, with the National Center for Atmospheric Research. "We could be underestimating the rate of global temperature increase."

IF COULD
COULD IF

Yeah yeah, Got it.



25 posted on 12/26/2005 7:31:13 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: NormsRevenge
"If that much near-surface permafrost thaws, it could release considerable amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, and that could amplify global warming," said lead author David Lawrence, with the National Center for Atmospheric Research. "We could be underestimating the rate of global temperature increase."

REMEMBER... Greenland was once inhabited and fertile! Even though the texts 50+ years ago assured us all that that was merely a Nordic "Real Estate Scam" foisted upon gullible Scandinavians being urged to migrate to new "Greener Pastures"!

But..., rest assured, it is all Bush's fault!!!

26 posted on 12/26/2005 7:31:41 PM PST by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: NormsRevenge
(Voice of John Faceda)

"The cold, barren tundra of Lambeeeeaaauuuu Field is thawing from global warming."

27 posted on 12/26/2005 7:33:14 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: NormsRevenge
could...federal study...Using supercomputers...scenario...If...could... could...if...computer climate model...

Still trying to find any science in there.

I see people gobbling up federal grant money and designing computer models to justify continued grant money.

28 posted on 12/26/2005 7:36:53 PM PST by denydenydeny ("As a Muslim of course I am a terrorist"--Sheikh Omar Brooks, quoted in the London Times 8/7/05)
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To: NormsRevenge

The tundra will then turn to oil or coal eventually, right? This is a good thing.


29 posted on 12/26/2005 7:38:28 PM PST by gotribe (Hillary: Accessory to Rape)
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To: NormsRevenge
Climate change could thaw the top 11 feet of permafrost in most areas of the Northern Hemisphere by 2100.

Cool, more wetlands for our feathered friends.

30 posted on 12/26/2005 7:40:29 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: NormsRevenge

Let's get the oil out before the whole thing melts!


31 posted on 12/26/2005 7:44:25 PM PST by glock rocks ("God's gift to you is life itself. What you do with it is your gift to God." - Leo Buscaglia)
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To: NormsRevenge

I always love the weather historians who try to explain why their yesterday's forecast was wrong? These people can't predict the weather accurately for tomorrow morning and I am to believe them when they try long range stuff? Get real?????


32 posted on 12/26/2005 7:46:08 PM PST by eeriegeno
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To: ExSES

I was betting that "it's Bush's fault" would be in the first five posts. Hard to believe it took until post 26!


33 posted on 12/26/2005 7:48:11 PM PST by Moonmad27
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To: Moonmad27
I was betting that "it's Bush's fault" would be in the first five posts. Hard to believe it took until post 26!

After all..., it has become a tradition hasn't it? (sic)

34 posted on 12/26/2005 7:51:02 PM PST by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: NormsRevenge
Not to support the chicken-little aspects of this; but, melting permafrost can be a major pain in the far north.

Houses, in permafrost areas, have to be thermally isolated from the permafrost -- lest it thaws and refreezes. When it melts, the ground becomes gumbo. When it refreezes, huge frost heaves result. Most northern housing is built on crib-work, or jacks -- to keep it above the ground, and so that it can be re-leveled every spring.

Some newer housing is built on space frames, or as a torsion box (rigid plywood covered unit). The entire house shifts with the frost heaves; but it doesn't twist apart like ordinary wood-frame houses do. Each year, the foundation jacks are readjusted -- sometimes by a few feet.
35 posted on 12/26/2005 7:53:04 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA (")
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To: ExSES
ExSES wrote:"But..., rest assured, it is all Bush's fault!!!"

Remember, Katrina was either Bush's fault or Katrina was a soldier of Islam.

36 posted on 12/26/2005 7:53:34 PM PST by JBGUSA (If it's us or them, I choose us.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Not to support the chicken-little aspects of this; but, melting permafrost can be a major pain in the far north. Houses, in permafrost areas, have to be thermally isolated from the permafrost -- lest it thaws and refreezes. When it melts, the ground becomes gumbo. When it refreezes, huge frost heaves result. Most northern housing is built on crib-work, or jacks -- to keep it above the ground, and so that it can be re-leveled every spring.

True, for the inhabited areas this will be a challenge for some time to come. I remember such problems from my days in Alaska...

It is a fact of life that the Earth's climate has cycled through temperature shifts throughout it's existence and (though disrupted) life adjusts and carries on...

37 posted on 12/26/2005 7:59:12 PM PST by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: ZULU
nd the glaciers returned.

And they most certainly will again. Maybe soon...very very soon. In geological terms of course.

38 posted on 12/26/2005 8:41:05 PM PST by El Gato
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To: NormsRevenge
Proof of Global Warming...
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39 posted on 12/26/2005 8:59:03 PM PST by kanawa (Freaking panty wetting, weakspined bliss-ninny socialist punks)
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To: NormsRevenge

I thought permafrost melts all the time. That's why you can't park bulldozers on it.


40 posted on 12/26/2005 9:00:34 PM PST by ozzymandus
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