Posted on 12/24/2005 8:25:27 PM PST by GodfearingTexan
Please forgive me, but I need some assistance. I had lunch recently with a close family member who insisted that President Bush is leading the most corrupt admin in history. I countered that it wasn't, that in fact Clinton had easily a more corrupt admin and had more people indicted than any other. He replied, no, that was Nixon. I honestly just don't have time to research all of this, and I know that there are people on here that either know the answer off the top of their heads or can tell me exactly where I can look it up.
No one will ever beat that record.
Your friend doesn't know the first thing about American history. Jefferson definitely rigged the vote-counting when he beat Burr in 1800 and things got worse after that. Jackson was deprived of the Presidency in 1824 by thievery. Several 19th century Presidents were comnpletely corrupt...but the standards were different at the time; it was expected.
AlamoGirl.com is where I'd start reading.
Didnt even read the article, Sarge, just googled it for texan.
You don't need to do the research necessarily. The first thing to do is ask them to specify the criteria and statistics by which they claim Bush's admin is the worst.
Huh? Burr was running for veep on the ticket with Jefferson. A defect in the Constitution, since corrected by amendment, resulted in both of them receiving an equal number of electoral votes and the election wound up in the House, where Jefferson was eventually elected.
As this was the exact intent of the voters, none of whom voted for Burr to be President, I fail to see why you consider Jefferson's election corrupt.
Culture of corruption is just one of their three word slogans. They limit them to 3 words, because their base is so dumb and undisciplined that they can only remember three.
There were no "tickets" in the early days. The runner-up for President became Vice-President. This doesn't mean that the widespread charges of corruption were any truer then, nor caused by any higher motives than they are now. Various historians say that election was fraught with insane partisan bickering, and insane partisan journalism -- which became "history". Sound familiar?
Check out http://FreedomKeys.com/slimeball.htm and its links.
Arguing would be useless, so do not waste your breath on it. As was written about 160 years ago about somewhat different situation, "one should have eaten a lot of beans before talking to [you]" - in this case, to that family member. As even Aristotle knew, rhetorical means need to be appropriate to the interlocutor and the subject.
Incorrect. Although the term was not used perhaps, the Democratic-Republican congressional caucus was very clear during the campaign that Jefferson was their candidate for President and Burr for Vice-President. That fits my definition of a ticket.
The runner-up for President became Vice-President.
Absolutely correct, in the original intent of the Founders. Which was a defect changed by the 12th Amendment, as it caused major problems in both the 1796 and 1800 elections. The original system was based on the assumption that "factions" would not develop in the country. With the rise of the party system, the original system was doomed.
Godfearing Texan:
As a Texan you should KNOW beyond any doubt the most corrupt president was LBJ.
As the ringleader of the JFK assassination along with J. Edgar Hoover in the coverup, the problems from that corruption carry over to today.
LBJ didn't just arrange for JFK to be killed, he was killing others long before Dallas (such as Henry Marshall who was about to bring the whole curtain down on LBJ's corruption).
I contend that the coverup of the 90's involving terrorism in the United States (see Oklahoma City's terrorist bombing by Iraqi soldier/defectors) used the JFK assassination as a guide. Witnesses say one thing, the government investigation says something totally different. Bill Clinton wasn't particularily good in the lies, he just understood the requirements to be successful.
It's very easy to pull this off when you have the power: LOOK the press right in the eyes and lie, dare them to cross you.
It's worked every time in the last 42 years. We have LBJ to thank, but Bill CLinton went to the same well many times. Look how many people died on 9/11 because Clinton did not take care of business in 1995 (or you could argue the first WTC bombing).
I imagine we all have family members who are reality challenged. You show great courage in admitting it. :^)
Do you feel the need to respond to this person? Challenge them to spend one hour reading any of the materials posted here. Include not only Clinton archives but also background material on Iraq.
Suggest that it will not be possible to talk with them about these matters until they have developed an informed opinion.
Do your homework. Don't be so lazy as to assume that you know the truth when you are doing little more than your liberal family member. Study and research. Know why you believe and learn the facts. Become informed.
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The Alamo Girl website is absolutely awesome - it is the definitive list of Clinton crimes:
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