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Germany frees killer of U.S. diver
CNN ^ | 12/20/05 | Correspondent Chris Burns

Posted on 12/20/2005 7:10:50 AM PST by minus_273

BERLIN, Germany (CNN) -- A Hezbollah militant sentenced to life in Germany for murdering a U.S. Navy diver during the 1985 hijacking of a U.S. jetliner has been freed, officials said.

The German government denied on Tuesday the release was related to the freeing of a German hostage in Iraq.

Mohammed Ali Hamadi was released Thursday and allowed to return to his native Lebanon on the next day, after qualifying for parole after 19 years in prison, said Ulrich Hermanski, spokesman for the North Rhine Wesphalia state justice ministry.

"There was no special treatment," Hermanski said in a telephone interview.

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To: Atlantic Bridge

From the timing, it's pretty obvious that it was a swap for the hostage. This is not the way to get German - American relations back on track after Schroeder.


101 posted on 12/20/2005 8:35:34 AM PST by PAR35
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To: minus_273

The Mossad should have been waiting for him with a bullet or cyanide capsule.

The rotten Krauts have no gratitude. They would even more impoverished than they are now if we hadn't paid through the nose to keep the Russians at bay for nearly half a century.

They certainly wouldn't have their entire country back in one piece if it wasn't for the U.S., ROnald Reagan, the Poles, and the Pope.

Ingrates. We should have carpet bombed the entire rotten Country during WW2.


102 posted on 12/20/2005 8:36:45 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: minus_273

Idiots. They think this will save their sorry arses? The militant muslims could give a rats ass about what they've done in the past. They are only out to kill non-muslims and Germany is NO exception to the terrorists.


103 posted on 12/20/2005 8:37:51 AM PST by b4its2late (Liberals are good examples of why some animals eat their young.)
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To: Michael81Dus
Guys, calm down. This is what Germany understands as Justice.

Then the mentally retarded have a higher level of understanding than Germany.

And don't tell us to calm down.

104 posted on 12/20/2005 8:38:05 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: minus_273
I don't agree with it either. However, this is not something new. I worked in the Army JAG offices in Germany for 10 years. We routinely had to visit monthly those GI's that were in German prisons for various crimes they were tried for under the German law and put into prison for. American soldiers convicted of murder, dead related incidents, who got life, were routinely looked at for parole around 15-20 years. If they were approved, they were returned to Army control and immediately left German for the US. So, this is not actually a new development.
105 posted on 12/20/2005 8:40:35 AM PST by RetiredArmy (I have no faith in any politician or political party any more. They all lie for their agendas.)
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To: Alberta's Child
What's totally ironic about all this criticism leveled at Germany in this case is that the German government basically did something that the U.S. would not have done itself . . . it arrested, tried, and convicted a man in Germany for a crime committed completely outside their legal jurisdiction no matter how you look at it -- since the incident: 1) occurred aboard an American airliner, 2) occurred on a flight that originated in Greece, and 3) culminated at an airport in Beirut, Lebanon. Of all the nations involved, Germany had the most tenuous connection of all. The only reason they had any interest at all was that the terrorist in question was apprehended in Germany. They tried him for this crime even though under U.S. standards of justice they probably would have had no recourse but to deport him to Lebanon.

Yep! This guy caused a lot of trouble although it was originally not our business. We had two Germans hijacked in Lebanon by his familiy, that tried to press him free during the early 90ties. Germany did not exchange him in that time. Now his sentence is over to German judiciary practice. Of course the timing of those guys in Hessen is horrible.

106 posted on 12/20/2005 8:42:27 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
As far as I know there are laws and convictions in Germany that after a certain timespan offenders have to be released if they do not pose a threat to the public.

How does a terrorist no longer pose a threat to the public. What is to stop him from meeting with his fellow terrorist? Did the German authorities hold his eyes open and make him watch violent films while listening to Beethoven or something?
107 posted on 12/20/2005 8:43:44 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: minus_273

Bookies are now taking bets on his life expectancy.


108 posted on 12/20/2005 8:44:57 AM PST by cynicom
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To: ariamne
Any bets on how soon this low life will resume his life of jihad?

End of the week. Next question; Israel, Iraq, or elsewhere?

109 posted on 12/20/2005 8:45:30 AM PST by steveegg (Take two - throw those long knives at the DemonRATs and lieberals - and include the RINOs)
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To: Coop

Robert Dean Stethem, Navy Diver


We remember that you died because you served our country.


We will honor your memory by continuing the fight against terrorists.



110 posted on 12/20/2005 8:45:57 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: PAR35
From the timing, it's pretty obvious that it was a swap for the hostage. This is not the way to get German - American relations back on track after Schroeder.

If you do not believe me just read number 105.

111 posted on 12/20/2005 8:46:36 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: ZULU
Ingrates. We should have carpet bombed the entire rotten Country during WW2.

We did. We also rebuilt the western 2/3rds afterwards.

112 posted on 12/20/2005 8:46:51 AM PST by steveegg (Take two - throw those long knives at the DemonRATs and lieberals - and include the RINOs)
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To: minus_273

This reminds me of the German "fan" who stabbed Seles in the back. He got a slap on the wrist after destroying her career and nearly killing her.


113 posted on 12/20/2005 8:47:28 AM PST by winner3000
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To: pepperhead
How does a terrorist no longer pose a threat to the public. What is to stop him from meeting with his fellow terrorist? Did the German authorities hold his eyes open and make him watch violent films while listening to Beethoven or something?

LOL!

Good joke. Relax - we Germans do not torture our prisoners anymore. Seriously - this is a good question. Probably Hamadi told the staff that he is so sorry for his crimes and that he wants to work as -let's say- a farmer to rebuildt his shaken country (sarcasm). As I already said - I am absolutely not happy about is release but I can't change the justice of my country.

114 posted on 12/20/2005 8:52:44 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
There would have been no chance of a extradition to the United States since in your country he would have been threatened by capital punishment. A absolute no-no which is strictly forbidden throughout Europe

They don't like to do it, but our prosecutors can waive the death penalty. If you read Debbie Schlussel's take, Germany Releases US Patriot's Hezbollah Murderer-Trades Terrorist Murderer for hostage in Iraq, it's not clear the German government is the only one responsible for his release. Personally, I'd like to know if a recent extradition request was made based on his parole, or if we're discussing the original request bacy in 1987. IMO, if this was a hostage swap, it was a very bad idea.

Top ranking federal officials--U.S. Attorney Stephen Murphy III, FBI Special Agent in Charge for Michigan Daniel Roberts, ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) Special Agent in Charge for Michigan and Ohio Brian Moskowitz, Citizenship and Immigration Services official Carol Jenifer--recently broke pita at the Detroit-area mosque of one of Hezbollah's and Iran's top agents in the United States. They laughed with him about Hezbollah being on the State Department terrorist list, seeming to scratch their heads as to why it's on the list. They clapped enthusiastically when he described what's going on in Southern Lebanon as "resistance, not terrorism."

It's not rocket science to make correct predictions like we make on this site--that Hamadi would be set free or that Islamic Jihad frontman Sami Al-Arian would be acquitted. Clueless, spineless appeasers like Murphy, Roberts, Moskowitz, and Jenifer, and the German government are running the show--and that makes the prospect of terrorists going free very predictable.

Robert Stethem must be looking down from Heaven and trying to make sense of what is happening here on mortal earth. He was an American patriot and for that, faced a brutal, early death. He would have been around 43, today. Around the same age, Murphy, Roberts, Moskowitz et al are patriotic only to themselves and their aggressive ambitions--and each continues to be promoted. When President Bush said, "You are either on our side or the terrorists' side," his own federal officials who oversee these three must not have been listening. (Moskowitz' boss, ICE Director of Investigations Marcy Forman-Friedman, reportedly told other ICE officials that she's glad Moskowitz "smoothed things over with the Islamic community of Detroit." That, not catching terrorists, is the priority at ICE.)


115 posted on 12/20/2005 9:06:13 AM PST by SJackson (There's no such thing as too late, that's why they invented death. Walter Matthau)
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To: minus_273

Europe -- where the death penalty is barbaric and letting murderering terrorists loose is humane. Europe -- a civilization that hates itself.


116 posted on 12/20/2005 9:16:04 AM PST by dervish (no excuses)
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To: All
A Hezbollah militant sentenced to life in Germany for murdering a U.S. Navy diver during the 1985 hijacking of a U.S. jetliner has been freed, officials said.

Anyone still believe life in prison is better than executing murderers?

117 posted on 12/20/2005 9:20:20 AM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
There would have been no chance of a extradition to the United States since in your country he would have been threatened by capital punishment. A absolute no-no which is strictly forbidden throughout Europe. Germany and other European countries do not extradite to countries where the offender could end on a scaffold. This has for sure nothing to do with hostages.

That is current policy. It was not the policy in 1987, when the extradition issue came up.

118 posted on 12/20/2005 9:21:01 AM PST by Numbers Guy
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To: JeeperFreeper
The German government denied on Tuesday the release was related to the freeing of a German hostage in Iraq.

At least the German gov't admits the trade.

119 posted on 12/20/2005 9:21:17 AM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: HamiltonJay
Time for a surgical strike.

On Berlin

120 posted on 12/20/2005 9:22:44 AM PST by montag813
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