-Eric
Posted on 12/20/2005 3:15:35 AM PST by E Rocc
Bill Would Allow Arrests For No Reason In Public Place
Citizens Would Also Have To Show ID
UPDATED: 7:22 pm EST December 19, 2005
CLEVELAND -- A bill on Gov. Bob Taft's desk right now is drawing a lot of criticism, NewsChannel5 reported.
One state representative said it resembles Gestapo-style tactics of government, and there could be changes coming on the streets of Ohio's small towns and big cities.
The Ohio Patriot Act has made it to the Taft's desk, and with the stroke of a pen, it would most likely become the toughest terrorism bill in the country. The lengthy piece of legislation would let police arrest people in public places who will not give their names, address and birth dates, even if they are not doing anything wrong.
WEWS reported it would also pave the way for everyone entering critical transportation sites such as, train stations, airports and bus stations to show ID.
"It brings us frighteningly close to a show me your papers society," said Carrie Davis of the ACLU, which opposes the Ohio Patriot Act.
There are many others who oppose the bill as well.
"The variety of people who opposed to this is not just a group of the usual suspects. We have people far right to the left opposing the bill who think it is a bad idea," said Al McGinty, NewsChannel5’s terrorism expert.
McGinty said he isn't sure the law would do what it's intended to do.
"I think anything we do to enhance security and give power to protect the public to police officers is a good idea," he said. "It is a good law in the wrong direction."
Gov. Bob Taft will make the ultimate decision on whether to sign the bill.
WEWS was told that Taft is expected to sign the bill into law, but legal experts expect that it will be challenged in courts.
-Eric
-Eric
AFAIK, most states already have laws requiring you to identify yourself to the police when asked.
Not even the second sentence, and the Nazi reference comes out.
Well, if the rest of the states have it, then Ohio should have it as well.
I could be wrong, but I believe the USSC has already ruled that you can be taken into custody for failing to provide your name to the police.
-Eric
Is the MSM also against voter ID? (Just curious.)
The lengthy piece of legislation would let police arrest people in public places who will not give their names, address and birth dates, even if they are not doing anything wrong.
One problem I see in Ohio is most people's only state ID is their driver's license
Hopefully this can also be used to boot some of the illegals out of Ohio and out of the country.
"It brings us frighteningly close to a show me your papers society," said Carrie Davis of the ACLU, which opposes the Ohio Patriot Act.
If the ACLU is aggainst it,in reality it's probably something much needed by law enforcement. I'm not falling for any of this liberal spin. Nothing is going to outlaw or take away due process in this country. Considering that there are plenty of terror cells already in Ohio I hope Taft signs this one today.
>>Nothing is going to outlaw or take away due process in this country.
Oh yeah? Tell that to Suzette Kelo.
In other words, the people who want to preserve individual liberties are those who actually use them.
She was not deprived of due process. She was stuck with a horrific outcome.
Suzette Kelo certainly did have due process. We may not have liked the outome, but you can't say it wasn't due process. It's not like the state just came in the middle of the night and threw her off her land, like they do in Zimbabwe.
BTW and FYI, Suzette Kelo and the other defendants still own their property, and it looks like public pressure is forcing the city of New London to abandon its plans to take their properties.
What is the injury and who is the injured party? "Protect and serve" is being replaced by "enforcing the law", under the rubric of stopping terrorism.
The day will come when FReepers will be considered "terrorists".
No, there was not due process. An unelected body (New London Development Commission) decided to take her property by eminent domain. This was not conducted in a court of law with strict procedures for finding evidence, but by a process of administrative hearings.
And the "public pressure" you mention is not due process, either. Whether she keeps her property or not, there was not due process.
Indeed,
the republican legacy has now expanded to include; waste, fraud, massive tax increases, corruption, cronyism, stupidity, and now unconstitutional attacks on our basic god-given rights.
Never again.
just thinking the same thing ...
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