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AFAIK, most states already have laws requiring you to identify yourself to the police when asked.
Not even the second sentence, and the Nazi reference comes out.
I could be wrong, but I believe the USSC has already ruled that you can be taken into custody for failing to provide your name to the police.
Is the MSM also against voter ID? (Just curious.)
The lengthy piece of legislation would let police arrest people in public places who will not give their names, address and birth dates, even if they are not doing anything wrong.
Hopefully this can also be used to boot some of the illegals out of Ohio and out of the country.
"It brings us frighteningly close to a show me your papers society," said Carrie Davis of the ACLU, which opposes the Ohio Patriot Act.
If the ACLU is aggainst it,in reality it's probably something much needed by law enforcement. I'm not falling for any of this liberal spin. Nothing is going to outlaw or take away due process in this country. Considering that there are plenty of terror cells already in Ohio I hope Taft signs this one today.
In other words, the people who want to preserve individual liberties are those who actually use them.
What is the injury and who is the injured party? "Protect and serve" is being replaced by "enforcing the law", under the rubric of stopping terrorism.
The day will come when FReepers will be considered "terrorists".
Indeed,
the republican legacy has now expanded to include; waste, fraud, massive tax increases, corruption, cronyism, stupidity, and now unconstitutional attacks on our basic god-given rights.
Never again.
Allowing people to be arrested for "no reason" is not correct. Here is the relevant section and link to the bill ( http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=126_SB_9 ).
Sec. 2921.29. (A) No person who is in a public place shall refuse to disclose the person's name, address, or date of birth, when requested by a law enforcement officer who reasonably suspects either of the following:
(1) The person is committing, has committed, or is about to commit a criminal offense.
(2) The person witnessed any of the following:
(a) An offense of violence that would constitute a felony under the laws of this state;
(b) A felony offense that causes or results in, or creates a substantial risk of, serious physical harm to another person or to property;
(c) Any attempt or conspiracy to commit, or complicity in committing, any offense identified in division (A)(2)(a) or (b) of this section;
(d) Any conduct reasonably indicating that any offense identified in division (A)(2)(a) or (b) of this section or any attempt, conspiracy, or complicity described in division (A)(2)(c) of this section has been, is being, or is about to be committed.
(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of failure to disclose one's personal information, a misdemeanor of the fourth degree.
(C) Nothing in this section requires a person to answer any questions beyond that person's name, address, or date of birth. Nothing in this section authorizes a law enforcement officer to arrest a person for not providing any information beyond that person's name, address, or date of birth or for refusing to describe the offense observed.
(D) It is not a violation of this section to refuse to answer a question that would reveal a person's age or date of birth if age is an element of the crime that the person is suspected of committing.
Just as I suspected, the freedom-hating totalitarians are out on FR today.
Ping, you're not gonna like this one.
As long as it pisses off the ACLU, it is OK by me.
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Of the several states I have lived any significant time in, from my own perspective Ohio had the most "Big Brotherly", anti-individual, and pro-government bureacracy feel to it when compared to either Missouri, Kansas, North Carolina, Arizona, Texas or Connecticut. Can't speak of any other states because I haven't lived in others.
One of those hard to explain, but odd feelings anytime I had to any interaction with the state or local officials.
What are you afraid of? Do you have something to hide? Don't you want the government to keep you safe???!!??
Are you a RINO?
sarcasm...in case you didn't get it
This is one of the reasons, I do not subscribe blindly to the face value of the Patriot Act as written.
Any sane citizen will never give this broad of a power to the Government, in the name of fighting terrorism.
BTW a provision to restrict US citizens the right to purchase fire arms, was also inserted in the Bill of Goods, courtesy of your friendly Patriot Act!
Never thrust your Government under ANY circumstances!...Period!
No, I am not a Libertarian, just a very skeptical and pragmatical Joe Sixpack.