[Kaslin]

Now that the Patriot Act has been gutted by the Senate, however, plots like those cited above will presumably proceed to their successful completion.

And who will the media blame when we have another attack? Hint not the New York Slimes and the senate

[Shalom Israel]

Just an observation, but taking away freedom is indeed an effective way to increase security--from everyone but the enforcers, at least. I'm all in favor of taking away terrorists' freedom. What troubles me is that there's no guaranteed way to take freedom away from the bad guys without taking it away from good guys as well.

[pleikumud]

Many of the DemoRats who want to weaken or repeal the Patriot Act have also said that we are no safer as a result of the war on terrorism. So let's see, they think we are no safer, but they want to weaken our security anyway? The DemoRats are insane with hatred of the President. They think Bush is the enemy, not the terrorists. The DemoRats are a threat to our security.

[SusaninOhio]

Is there a list of the votes cast by senators?

[Mark was here]

The Patriot Act was extended to the war on meth.

This made the act a pile of rubbish.

Come back with a bill aimed squarely at terrorist, and include a provision to bar anyone (and their supervisors) who uses the act for any other purpose, from ever receiving a cent from taxpayers. No pay check, no pension, nothing.

Nothing wrong with going after the terrorist and showing no mercy in the process.

[conservative physics]

Why didn't the President go on national televison in prime time before the vote to state these facts? and ask people to call there senators and encourage them to vote for renewal?

[goldstategop]

They will not blame the Democrats who voted to restore the Gorelick Wall.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

[Mo1]

Now that the Patriot Act has been gutted by the Senate, however, plots like those cited above will presumably proceed to their successful completion.

The Dems are hoping for that because they think they'll get their power back

They are playing games with American lives

[combat_boots]

Note to self: Three that we know of have been stopped. Now that we hamstring efforts, this means that the next one, which could well occur under Bush's watch thanks to this, will be blamed on Bush, when in fact it will be because of the Democratic strategy.

[highlander_UW]

Perhaps a compromise can be worked out. Perhaps they can extend the patriot act for red states and let it expire for the blue states...then we will have side by side examples of rather it's a good thing or a bad thing. If there are no terrorist attacks in blue states then the patriot act was not needed...if blue states get attacked then they are simply facing the consequences of choosing defeatocrats as representatives.

[taxed2death]

I'm just happy that we're allowing sharp objects back into the passenger compartments of our airliners.

Smart thinking.

[PsyOp]

Without a sunset clause, I'm glad it was not passed. The Patriot Act needs to be parsed out. The less onerous parts passed on their own merits and made permanent (i.e. removing Gorelicks wall). The more controversial parts made provisional and subject to periodic review and renewal if neccesary.

[dr_who_2]

If that's the case, then Bush should tell the voters all that and then get another vote in the Senate.

[Grizzled Bear]

Stop using facts! It's all about how we FEEEEEEL!!!

//SARCASM ALERT//

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

And who will the media blame when we have another attack? Hint not the New York Slimes and the senate

Yep. There is already precedent. It's called the 9-11 commission report. Backed by the anti-america MSM, they covered up Clinton era malfeasance and turned the spotlight on Bush's nine month old administration. Bush played along by covering up Able Danger. WALA! All government failure covered up nicely, citizens completely duped.

[CommandoFrank]

According to a CNN report in October, the list of plots foiled thanks to the Patriot Act includes:

A CNN report? Huh? What did I miss? I'll bet that person got fired...

[shield]

I understand we've already got much of the Patriot Act legislation...this act goes after terrorist...why are we just hearing about this act...and not other legislation that's as intrusive?

[Christian4Bush]

The prevention of these are what Dingy Harry just bragged about killing. (the original story is still in the sidebar)

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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The Man Who Predicted 9/11:

Lifetime Lifesaving Hero RICK RESCORLA, R.I.P.

http://www.RickRescorla.com

http://www.strategyzoneonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361

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[steve-b]

The alleged "hijacking" plots subsequent to 9/11 don't pass the giggle test. That plan just can't work now that the old assumption (a hijacker is a clown who wants a free ride to Cuba, and the smart thing for passengers to do is nothing) has been replaced by the new one (a hijacker is a terrorist who intends to kill everyone on board, and the smart thing for the passengers to do is rush him and stomp him into gelatin).

Only somebody who believes DUmmie conspiracy theories about what "really happened" on Flight 93 could buy these claims.