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Fighting on the beaches exposes ugly side of life
Times Online ^ | 12/17/05 | Richard Guilliatt

Posted on 12/16/2005 11:37:37 PM PST by vimto

Fighting on the beaches exposes ugly side of life By Richard Guilliatt With police warning Australians to stay away from the seafronts and the city bracing itself for another weekend of violence, our correspondent explains the pressures behind the cultural hostility

AS A mob of 5,000 “proud Aussies” fought “wogs and Lebs” at Cronulla Beach in Sydney on Sunday, one of their ringleaders — Glen Steele, a lifelong resident and former rugby player — angrily explained why Lebanese immigrants have become unwelcome on this strip of suburban surf beach. Pointing to the old saltwater pool at the end of the beach, Mr Steele said: “I’ve got a four-year-old girl and a boy who’s 11, and they see these b******s come here and stand around the sea baths ’cos their women have got to swim in clothes and stuff, or they see them saying filthy things to our girls. That’s not Australian!”

In its own garbled way, that perfectly encapsulated why the beach was where longstanding tensions between Anglo and Muslim Australia boiled over into violence this week. The beach was once a great equaliser, the place where everyone stripped down to a state that embodied Australia’s egalitarian image of itself, but today it is a place where cultural differences are glaringly magnified. To Anglo-Australians such as Mr Steele, that means the sight of Muslim women swimming fully clothed; to excitable Lebanese teenagers raised strictly under Islam, it is the sight of semi-naked women lounging carelessly on the sand.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: australia; mosleminfestation; muslim; riots; sydneyriots
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Easy to read reminder of the backround to riots last week. Still uses 'race riots' in extended article. What will this weekend bring if anything at all?
1 posted on 12/16/2005 11:37:38 PM PST by vimto
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To: vimto

Any mention of the plan to kill Howard?? No??


2 posted on 12/16/2005 11:47:00 PM PST by GeronL (Leftism is the INSANE Cult of the Artificial)
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To: GeronL
They wanted to kill the PM?

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3 posted on 12/16/2005 11:54:40 PM PST by Lurker ("Son, there's only two things you need in this world; love and a .45.")
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To: Lurker
Something about it

I didn't say it was these particular people, I hope I didn't imply such

4 posted on 12/17/2005 12:09:39 AM PST by GeronL (Leftism is the INSANE Cult of the Artificial)
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To: vimto


World riots show that Multiculturalism does not work. It is one of the stupid legacies of the kumbaya crowds of the 1960’s. Multiculturalism is part of the Marxist plan to destroy the power of the west. Just ask anyone who pushes it, what gets stronger by breaking it up? So the goal, flood successful Western cultures with those who support the exact opposite, call them the suppressed under class. If a country become too successful, and does not have an underclass, import one.
Instead of diversity and multiculturalism, demand unity of culture, and support our similarities. This is the only way that a multi-ethnic society can work. One culture of many ethnic groups.


5 posted on 12/17/2005 12:18:47 AM PST by Exton1
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To: vimto

They will never solve this problem in Australia until they stop using the term "race" in its description.

There are lots of races in australia, but its only the Muslims that are the problem.

Its a ROP issue, not a racial one.


6 posted on 12/17/2005 12:18:53 AM PST by adamsjas
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To: vimto

This article rather snidely insinuates that all the trouble is due to Australian racism. I fail to see how immigrant young men acting like idiots, gawking at Australian girls and the like, is a manifestation of "Australian racism." Taking cheap, random potshots at local radio hosts isn't exactly incisive journalism, either.


7 posted on 12/17/2005 12:24:40 AM PST by KellyAdmirer
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To: vimto
Hard to believe the Aussies would allow these people and their "attitudes" into their country. When you go to someone else's country, you respect their ways. Period.

If they don't like, they need to leave.

8 posted on 12/17/2005 12:37:26 AM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: vimto
Australia needs to correct the grave error of inviting all these Middle Eastern muslims to settle there and now 'invite' them all to leave. They can go home....Lebanon is fine now , Afghanistan is ok , etc etc....
I am waiting for all the West to pass laws banning mosques and the practice of islam , just as many of the moslem countries
ban churches and the practice of Christianity and other religions. Parity...what goes around comes around.
Muslims belong in traditional muslim countries and nowhere else. They don't belong in Australia .
9 posted on 12/17/2005 12:37:49 AM PST by injin
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To: vimto

Having now read a huge amount of press and commenting about this problem in Australia -- comments from several public commenting areas on the internet so far, including FR -- my conclusion is that there's a group of very aggressive Arabs (Australians say they are "Lebanese" but I only know what I read and use the term, "Arabs" as a generic one here for lack of more specifics available to me) who intentionally ventured into areas for reasons of engaging in criminal acts and harassing, attacking and maligning "white" Australians.

The Arabs involved do not appear to be residents aimlessly using a public beach for rest and relaxation who were, as some in the press have tried to make it out to be, "attacked" for "racial" reasons by the "whites" on the beach area and surrounding, but have been engaged in a series of intentional and deplorable acts for a while now (rapes, among assaults), ridiculing without provocation white people, taunting and worse.

All in all, while I don't understand specifically why the specific individuals are even IN Australia from the Arab nations/populations, they do appear to be there in these specific problem areas for the purpose of harming others and specifically of harming and harassing 'white' Australians.

If ANY one is engaged in racial harassment and assaults, it's the Arabs there. And they very well may have immigrated to Australia for that very purpose -- it certainly looks likely.


10 posted on 12/17/2005 1:14:03 AM PST by MillerCreek
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And, it certainly hasn't been the white Australians who have been attacking and burning property...it's been these Arabs in Australia doing so.

The media only photographs and releases actual white Australians in the rioting or group-angry process, while with the car burnings and such, you only see the cars and then read about who burned them in fine print or even personal comments.

It's "cars burning" and "White people rioting" if you mind the media's quite wrong slant on the presentations, while if you read the facts involved here, you see that the Arabs rioted -- worse, raped and assaulted white Australians -- and the Whites responded afterward in a group about that.

It takes a whole lot to get white people to "riot" and that only happens when there's no effective response by law enforcement and/or after a well observed series of assaults and attacks upon vulnerable white people. Meaning, it's not a customary response by white people to take to rioting and it only ensues after a long series of provocation left unremedied, unresolved, allowed to continue.

Today we have a world where the media finds any and all possible expressions to present white people as racist while the brutality and assaults and racism by other races remains described as nearly 'heroic'. Which is, in effect, actual racism against and about white people.

Not that any of us white folks are surprised about it.


11 posted on 12/17/2005 1:20:03 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: Exton1
totally agree - but most Western countries have gone down the multicultural road since the 70s and are ideologically committed to it.
12 posted on 12/17/2005 1:24:54 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: KellyAdmirer
mmm.. yes the article is a populist one, granted - but much of the battle for hearts and minds will be on on this stage. Most people I know don't read the Spectator etc. Not that Free Republic should dumb down, heck no, but I see a small shift in the artlicle, one that takes the reader into the world view of the muslim in a capitalist democratic state that isn't focused on disaffected poor yout's. The incompatibility of Islam / western values does come across (I think).
13 posted on 12/17/2005 1:32:35 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: adamsjas
Yep, the term 'race' offers the wrong category for thinking about these issues. If you start with 'race' you will always go down the wrong road.
14 posted on 12/17/2005 1:34:15 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: MillerCreek

It's way past time to end the "we're all immigrants" attitude that let's almost anyone emigrate to the US and Australia.

Borders, Language, Culture.

If a potential immigrant can't or won't learn English or refuses to assimilate, they need to be sent back to whatever Screwedupistan country they came from.

After all, of their "culture" is so wonderful, why would they ever want to leave?


15 posted on 12/17/2005 1:34:19 AM PST by Left2Right ("Democracy isn't perfect, but other governments are so much worse")
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To: MillerCreek
Very mush so - the Church burned down last week - had it been a mosque - well it's a no brainer the reaction from the muslims and the liberal left press for that matter.....
16 posted on 12/17/2005 1:36:21 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: Left2Right
Why indeed? there was an article in the Times UK a few days ago saying the politicians are leasing us down the one way Islam wants to go in Democratic culture - self governing regions, independent of the surrounding culture.

some time ago in Bradford I noted that we now have Apartheid - and no one will acknowledge it! The black population notable live with the White population in harmony.

It is culture not race that is at issue.

Soonish - Islam will be the dominant culture here (EU) - we are asleep at the wheel.
17 posted on 12/17/2005 1:41:17 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To Anglo-Australians such as Mr Steele, that means the sight of Muslim women swimming fully clothed; to excitable Lebanese teenagers raised strictly under Islam, it is the sight of semi-naked women lounging carelessly on the sand.

So the Anglo-Australians are enraged because Muslim women are swimming fully clothed?

Hey, Richard Guilliatt, piss off.

18 posted on 12/17/2005 1:47:13 AM PST by primeval patriot
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To: Left2Right

I completely, wholeheartedly agree with you.

As a matter of fact, there are very firm requirements for citizenship in the U.S. and I know, too, in Australia.

The problem is that so many people disregard those requirements, enter anyway, and rely on the problems that both countries (among others) have as to under-monitoring those who enter.

To become a citizen in the U.S., for example, an applicant has to present their capability to comprehend basic English, to be able to read and write and comprehend sufficient English to pass a written and aural application process.

They also have to pass a basic health screening and aren't admitted if they have T.B. (among other infectious diseases). They have to be sponsored and prove that they have employment lined up and waiting if they're of adult age and more, swear allegiance to the country, the flag, the Constitution.

What we have today is many millions (ten, eleven million) people in the country (U.S.) who bypass the immigration application process for citizenship or even entrance VISAs and avoid all those requirements and rely on not being found out after they're in the country.

Thus, they've begun establishing a disdain, disregard for those basic citizenship requirements and it's a denigration and devalue process of citizenship overall. It communicates that citizenship is meaningless, worthless, to be/can be disregarded and therefore, means nothing to presence in the country.

Which is awful. Completely awful but combined with encouragement in those counter points to citizenship (and lawfulness) by many among today's Liberal Left, you get an ongoing "war" in effect, from within, against and in opposition to all that most of us hold dear as to country and society.

I think it's pretty close to the same in Australia since I once read a pack from an Australian embassy as to what it required to emigrate there from the U.S. for purposes of Australian citizenship. Changed my mind but I wanted to inquire when I was still in college and anticipating, perhaps, attending graduate school there and making Australia my home -- given other ancestors who were Australian citizens, one founded a college, one was a doctor, other things.


19 posted on 12/17/2005 2:23:17 AM PST by MillerCreek
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"Unlike the sunbleached Cronulla locals, these swarthy youths do not surf, and they come from homes in which female flesh is rarely glimpsed."


So the Muslim youths get sexually stimulated , hate themselves for wanting to have sex with Occidental Australian Women Beasts ( rape happens)and then punish western women at the same time as being slutty women who deserve only sexual slavery and gang bangs?? No wonder Assie men defend their women? In Europe there are only Gurly men who satnd by and watch?Good job Aussies, make short dirty work of it. While your at it, marry yourselves to Islamic women who will think they are being treated like queens compared to the way their own men would treat them!


20 posted on 12/17/2005 2:24:16 AM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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