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Paris raid nets arms haul
The Guardian ^ | December 16, 2005 | Jon Henley in Paris

Posted on 12/16/2005 5:00:06 PM PST by tgambill

French police said yesterday they had found explosives, detonators and guns stashed in a suburban Paris garage in swoops this week that have netted 28 suspected Islamist militants, apparently with links to al-Qaida in Iraq. Interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy said that questioning suspects detained on Monday had led to arms seizure in Clichy-sous-Bois, outer Paris, on Wednesday. "A certain number of terrorists, in order to finance their activities, are involved in organised crime," Mr Sarkozy said, appearing to confirm earlier reports that the gang raised cash through armed robberies rather than carrying out terrorist attacks. Among arms found were a kilo of TNT, 19 sticks of dynamite, 10 standard detonators - one capable of being set off by remote control - fuses, rifles, bulletproof vests, and French gendarmerie and special forces uniforms, police said. "There were lots of elements showing a mix ... between Islamic militants and armed robbers," national police chief, Michel Gaudin, told the Associated Press. One suspect was in touch with an intermediary who had contact with al-Qaida in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, he said. Monday's raids on homes and internet cafes around Paris followed close surveillance of the alleged network spread over several months. Among those detained were Moroccans, Algerians and Tunisians, including women, and French nationals, several of whom were reportedly happy to admit support for the Islamic cause.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaedafrance; cache; gwot; jihadineurope
Just one more example to the naysayers that this was not an Islamic issue or that they did not instigate the riots.
1 posted on 12/16/2005 5:00:07 PM PST by tgambill
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To: tgambill
Shh! DISAFFECTED YOUTHS! There is no terrorist threat!

< /michael moore >

2 posted on 12/16/2005 5:03:36 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Gordongekko909

make sure you say it with a christiane amanpour accent.


3 posted on 12/16/2005 5:08:17 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: tgambill
This is pure racism and the French Muslims wouldn't need bombs and such if the French Muslims in question were treated with dignity and equality....</ sar>
4 posted on 12/16/2005 5:08:57 PM PST by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party)
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To: tgambill
"Interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy"
A Frenchman who actually speaks the truth, we should offer him asylum.
6 posted on 12/16/2005 5:23:28 PM PST by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: tgambill

Did they round up all these Islamic Militants and offer them white flags and money to go away?


7 posted on 12/16/2005 5:26:46 PM PST by eeevil conservative (courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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To: eeevil conservative

Can we just avoid the wait and declare France as the new member of the Axis of Evil?????


8 posted on 12/16/2005 5:27:51 PM PST by bpjam (Now accepting liberal apologies.....)
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To: eeevil conservative

False, there were checkpoints between E. and W. Berlin, complete with doors

No they offered them a complete military minus of course the personel. Now they have tanks and planes and such. And the French have a guarantee that they will not be attacked.


9 posted on 12/16/2005 5:31:24 PM PST by Sterco
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To: Sterco

Man did this post get messed up. Result of cut and pasting. Sorry


10 posted on 12/16/2005 5:32:49 PM PST by Sterco
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To: bpjam

LOL! they might rank as the cheerleading squad for the axis of evil.....I was tempted to say they are too much a bunch of pansies to pose a real threat, but then.. their gushing and love of the evil makes them very dangerous... like a four year old playing with a loaded machine gun...they are defintely dangerous....ingnorent, arrogant, and stupid to boot...


11 posted on 12/16/2005 5:34:47 PM PST by eeevil conservative (courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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To: tgambill

I'm sure that if Hollywood ever made a movie about this a la "The French Connection," the terrorists, er, suspects would magically morph into evil White Nazis or evil White South Africans or evil White....


12 posted on 12/16/2005 5:35:11 PM PST by KellyAdmirer
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To: Sterco

sounds about right....


13 posted on 12/16/2005 5:35:19 PM PST by eeevil conservative (courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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To: tgambill
French police said yesterday they had found explosives, detonators and guns stashed in a suburban Paris garage in swoops this week that have netted 28 suspected Islamist militants, apparently with links to al-Qaida in Iraq.

But if they had links with anyone in the U.S., for God's Sake don't tap their phones or read their email!</Sphincter-McStain MODE>

14 posted on 12/16/2005 5:35:35 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: tgambill
WE both know the agenda, but a blind eye has been turned for the short-term gain of certain govt's. Blowback will happen as the world enters a black hole, another Crusades.
15 posted on 12/19/2005 7:36:31 PM PST by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: ma bell

that's exactly what's going to happen and our loyalities will be put to the test. We will also have to deal with Billy Bob and Cletis....or Rap Van Williams, Pseudo-Muslim. Than along comes 1984, you are either with us or against us....it's all about anti-terrorism.....wow.....

Tom


16 posted on 12/19/2005 8:10:03 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Dallas59

You're kidding right? I'm assuming that you are being faceious. Treating them with respect won't matter. Muslims in Denmark, Sweden, Australia, and all the other locations they are infecting have been planning operations step by step. They gang rapes are characteric of their culture and the spread of the radical Islamism. They are not targeting the U.S. and the Balkans. They are very adept at singling out the social structures, and creating unrest among the classes and ethnic groups to separate the state and class instititions. Their goal is one of three choices......Convert, subjugate or pay money. If none of these work and the operation is set they launch a Jihad. France is a classic example and it worked perfectly. It's like cooking a frog. Through the frog in hot water he will immediately try to jump out. But, put him in cold water and slowly heat it up, he will remain in the water until death. The hot water is the spread of Islam. We are the frogs. The Islamic agenda is evil, restrictive, and very well orchestrated. I know their agenda exactly, it's just you can't get this across to people.

For example.....

Wednesday, May 04, 2005
Is Swedish Democracy Collapsing?

A top Muslim scholar said the Muslim minority in Sweden would abide by Swedish law in confronting a Christian preacher who insulted Prophet Muhammad, urging his fellow Swedish Muslims not to take the law into their own hands or commit any violent acts to avenge the remarks of the Christian cleric. Norwegian celebrity evangelist preacher Runar Søgaard, in a sermon at Filadelfia church in Stockholm on March 20, repeated claims that Muhammad was "a confused pedophile" since his wives included a girl aged nine years old. Søgaard is under protection by Swedish police after receiving death threats. The sermon has triggered fears of a religious war in Sweden. It is essential according to Islamic teachings to respond to those who defame Muhammad. Muslim extremists in Sweden have urged Al-Qaida's al-Zarqawi to take action in the matter, and radicals of the Salafyist variety have posted a very explicit threat to launch a wave of terrorist attacks against Sweden because of the "insult". The threats were posted on a number of known Islamist forums and were accompanied by rather lurid graphics.

However, Fjordman has documented that Swedish Muslims called for terror attacks against Sweden even before this incident happened. This text was posted on a large Swedish Muslim forum in February 2005: "Wallahi I pray that Allah will severely punish all those who are involved in this war against Islam. And that Sweden will feel the punishment of the Mujahdiin that the USA and Spain and other countries have done for their involvement in Iraq. May Allah punish this hypocrite government, Ameen. Please give me evidence that kuffar (infidels) should NOT be allowed to kill. Why should you not be allowed to call Sweden Darul Harb (the House of War)? Ulama have stated many times that every state that does not judge according to sharia, and does not have a pact with the Muslims or is paying the Jiziya is a part of Dar ul-Harb, which is allowed to attack and their wealth permitted for all Muslims. Why not follow the example of what our Mujahid brother in Holland did with that pig Theo van Gogh? That brother's action really made a difference in the world, and because of it the Muslims now enjoy some respect and eminence among the kuffar. Sure, Muslims enjoy "protection" in Sweden as citizens. So what? There are Muslims in the USA and Israel, too, getting "protection". What difference does it make? Allah made Jihad compulsory. A Muslim has to enter fully into Islam, not just ignore issues as he feels like. This is Islam, not a lunch buffet."

Muslims have been spreading extremism and hate in Sweden for some time. Journalist Salam Karam had on several occasions visited the large mosque on Medborgarplatsen in Stockholm. The aim was to compare the Imam's speeches in Arabic with the interpreters Swedish translations. His report showed that the violent attacks against USA and the West were never translated. The largest mosque in Stockholm was spreading double messages. What the Imam said in his speech in Arabic didn't match how the text was interpreted in Swedish. “America rapes Islam,” the Imam roared in Arabic from the platform. The interpreter translated to Swedish: “We condemn USA's torture of Iraqi prisoners.” Adding to sermons such as these, Radio Islam, based in Sweden, keeps Nazi hate literature such as Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" online in several languages, including English. Should a terror attack occur in Sweden, the country may be unprepared for it. An examination of Sweden's preparedness for a terrorist attack by the Swedish Defense Research Agency, FOI, has found the country’s state agencies lacking.

The threats against Sweden should serve as a lesson to those who still claim that Islamic terrorism is caused by "Israeli aggression" or "American foreign policy". Sweden, a retirement home for foreign war criminals and reputedly where Iraqi ex-dictator Saddam Hussein wants to spend his last years, doesn't have a colonial past. Yet it is probably the most pathetic dhimmi nation in the Western world, even if facing some stiff competition for the title. It subsidizes Palestinian terror conferences at a time when anti-Jewish harassment by Muslims is so bad that Swedish Jews sign up for service in the IDF to escape. IKEA, one of its largest companies, censors its own manuals in order not to offend Muslims. A Swedish court recently judged according to sharia. I have earlier read suggestions by a columnist in Sweden's largest newspaper, Aftonbladet, that Sweden should change its national anthem into "something multicultural". Two Swedish girls were also sent home from school for wearing sweaters showing a tiny Swedish flag. The headmaster was concerned that this might be deemed offensive by some immigrants. Sweden crawls to Muslims in every way imaginable, and it still isn't enough. There are still Muslim radicals who want to attack it. How are leftists going to spin it when the terror attacks come? Since Islamic terror is caused by occupation and oppression, which illegal settlements are Swedes going to withdraw from to please the Muslims? Stockholm? They've already de facto withdrawn from Malmö.

Few areas in Sweden are worse hit by the current troubles than Malmö, the nation's third largest city. According to some estimates, the rapidly growing Muslim immigrant population may turn Malmö into a Muslim majority city within about ten years. It will be the first major Scandinavian city to enjoy this honor, although perhaps not the last. Native Swedes are leaving the city in droves, as crime is rampant and the police publicly admit they don't control all parts of the city. There are now gangs in Malmö specialized in assaulting old people visiting the graves of relatives. Robberies have increased with 50 % in Malmö only during the fall of 2004. The city is descending into general chaos. Fights in the city's movie theatres have become a recurrent problem. Numbers released in January 2005 indicate a sharp rise in the number of rape charges in Malmö. Thomas Anderberg, responsible for statistics at the Malmö Police, says there was a doubling of the number of reported rapes by ambush in 2004, following what was already a decade of steadily increasing numbers of sexual crimes. "I think that’s great news," says Anna Gustafsson, head of the Domestic Violence Unit at the Malmö Police. She suggests that the increase is due to the fact that women who otherwise wouldn’t press charges for rape now choose to contact the police. In other words, Gustafsson claims that we are dealing with a “technical” increase, not a real one. However, national statistics reveal that reported rapes against children have almost doubled in Sweden during the past ten years. The number of rape charges per capita in Malmö is 5 – 6 times that of Copenhagen, Denmark. Copenhagen is a larger city, but the percentage of immigrants is much lower.

Malmö has recently taken another logical step towards its Islamization: Starting from the fall of 2005, the district of Hyllie will begin education in Arabic only for groups of immigrant preschool children. The idea is that once the children learn the language of their parents, it will become easier for them to learn Swedish as well. So the Swedish state paying for educating Swedish citizens on Swedish ground in Arabic is somehow supposed to increase integration. On the other hand, perhaps being good dhimmis and teaching in Arabic can stop one of the latest fads in Sweden: Burning schools. At least 139 schools in Sweden suffered arson attacks during 2002 alone. Such as a recent incident in Malmö, where three schools were put on fire during one night. "Teenage boys" are suspected to behind the arson. Björn Vinberg from the fire department in Kroksbäck in the Malmö area says it's humiliating and degrading to put out fires again and again in the same immigrant areas, with school kids laughing at them and lighting a new one just afterwards. His colleagues have been to the same place no less than twenty times, all totally unnecessary.

While Malmö may be an especially appalling example, instability is spreading to most of Sweden's urban and suburban areas, and now permeates all levels of society. Street violence of all kinds is soaring on a national level. Private security companies are in great demand in major Swedish cities, as a serious lack of police to combat rising crime has made many citizens tired of being robbed. Amnesty International concluded that acts of violence against women had spiralled upward in Sweden in the last 15 years, a jump that could not be explained away as merely a greater willingness by women to report the incidents. A large majority of Swedish Members of Parliament, but even many politicians on lower and local levels, say they experience threats or violence. Many of them say the harassment is so bad they consider leaving politics.

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/05/is-swedish-democracy-collapsing.html

Need I say more...............The Muslims are prone to crime due to the teachings and their inability to adapt in other countries trying to spread Islam. Never heard of Missionaries doing this........

END...........................................

It's not racism, it's self preservation for one's own culture as the Muslims attempt to convert or commit Jihad. This is not a debate it's a fact, it's just hard to convince people. A Saudi Prince gave 20 million each to Harvard and George Washington University. This is the start. There are ALWAYS strings attached to these gifts. It's a very clever move to naive Americans. Gang Rapes are common place in Australia and Sweden. Talk about Racism, if that happens here in the U.S., they will be targeting Muslims. They already are in Australia. They are tired of the mindset that the Koran creates in reality.


17 posted on 12/19/2005 8:45:06 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Dallas59

CORRECTION:

I WROTE:

"They are not targeting the U.S. and the Balkans."

I didn't proof read. That was a slip of the finger. I meant to write:

"They are NOW targeting the U.S. and the Balkans."


18 posted on 12/20/2005 6:39:39 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: ma bell

The Aussies have the right idea and what will be the trend if they try that crap here.....ski masks and baseball bats. It's actually the only way to deal with gang rapist and invaders. This is what they have become.......

Tom


19 posted on 12/20/2005 9:18:44 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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