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Do these ‘pastoral leaders’ think it’s more beneficial to the family to stay at home in their pajamas with bed head?

Many of the so-called "mainstream churches" are as complicit in this degredation of Christmas as are the greedy chain stores and the rest of the bah humbug gaggle.

1 posted on 12/16/2005 5:33:01 AM PST by FerdieMurphy
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To: FerdieMurphy

Amen (no pun intended)


2 posted on 12/16/2005 5:33:39 AM PST by mcg2000 (New Orleans: The city that declared Jihad against The Red Cross.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Most families will probably be out seeing that gay cowboy movie on Christmas....


3 posted on 12/16/2005 5:34:58 AM PST by Always Right
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To: FerdieMurphy

Our church always has a wonderful Christmas eve service and now we also be having a service on Sunday...I am looking forward to that....I doubt there was even a discussion amongst our elders regarding this


4 posted on 12/16/2005 5:36:52 AM PST by Kimmers
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To: FerdieMurphy

The modern day version of "No room at the Inn"?

BTW, I'll be attending Mass on Christmas morning as I have done every Christmas morning of my existence.


5 posted on 12/16/2005 5:39:34 AM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Pope Benedict welcomes those who come regularly, those who come intermittently and those who only come on Christmas and Easter.

I've seen the 4pm Christmas Eve mass become the most popular as that's the service in which many parishes use to let the children act out the first Christmas.

Last year, our church had a delightful Christmas pageant. The deacon was telling the story in very plain language that even the 4, 5 and 6 year olds (in the pageant) could understand.

At one point he said "And the shepherds came"
No shepherds appeared.
He tried again. "And the shepherds came"
Again no shepherds.

Amused, he chuckled and asked "Where are those shepherds?"
Still no shepherds.
Brilliantly, he improvised "And the angel went down to get the shepherds"

Which she did. A little girl ran down the altar steps and grabbed the shepherds by the hand and led them to the "manger". LOL

The whole congregation burst out in laughter.
What a great service that was.


6 posted on 12/16/2005 5:42:16 AM PST by saveliberty (Stop the McCainity. Vote Conservative.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

I am proud to say that my church, Bellevue Baptist in Memphis, will be holding services on Christmas morning.
If yours is closed, come join us!


7 posted on 12/16/2005 5:43:27 AM PST by CobraJet
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To: FerdieMurphy
Does it mater to anyone that Christ's apostles, through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, met on the first weekday to commemorate our Lord's death, not birth, and worship him? Of course, it's more warm and fuzzy and fun to think of innocent babies. His birth was miraculous and we should celebrate it with our lives, but if He wanted a special holiday or memorial for it, He would have said so.

These closings on Sunday are the second time in 11 years this has conflict has occured. That's what happens when Men concoct a holiday because Men think it's a good idea, and "violate the command of God with your traditions." And yet there will be many who will argue "it's for a good cause."

We'd be wise to remember, there is only One who is "good", and His "thoughts are not our thoughts", His "ways not our ways." The Catholic church, and by extension most Protestant groups, have presumed to assume a liberty we don't have. How will you rationalize that?

12 posted on 12/16/2005 5:48:37 AM PST by mikeus_maximus (Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is still evil.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

I attend a small United Methodist church, one service per week. We always do a big beautiful, service on Christmas Eve, usually very well attended. I don't know if they will have a service the following morning this year.

Last time Christmas day was on Sunday, the church was open for those who wanted to come for meditation and prayer, but there was no service.

That was fine with me. I figured if I had a need to attend a service I would go to my old Catholic church which has mass every hour on sunday mornings.


18 posted on 12/16/2005 6:12:28 AM PST by YankeeGirl (Certa bonum certamen)
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To: FerdieMurphy

The celebration of Christ's birth on December 25th was a scam anyway, created to lure pagans to Christianity.


20 posted on 12/16/2005 6:17:33 AM PST by xrp (Conservative votes are to Republicans what 90% of black votes are to Democrats (taken for granted))
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To: FerdieMurphy

"Focus on the Family" replaces Focus on Jesus.


21 posted on 12/16/2005 6:17:36 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: FerdieMurphy

I thought it was extremely funny when my pastor was asked if the church will be open on Christmas day, he replied

"Do you really want to tell Jesus you won't be here on His birthday? I can promise you, I'LL be here, even if it's just me and Him".


23 posted on 12/16/2005 6:24:17 AM PST by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: FerdieMurphy; All
At the risk of great flaming.... (hope not...)
I will attempt to mitigate the point....

Amen #1:
Sunday is the Lord's Day...

Food for thought #1:
In the New Covenant of Christ, the Lord of the religious Sabbath has become the Lord of our primary relationship every day of the week. There is no hard legal requirement to ONLY worship on Sunday - NOR a similar legalistic requirement that we MUST convene EVERY Sunday.

Amen #2:
The Christmas celebration is a wonderful tradition for our faith, recognizing God's unconditional love given to all mankind in Jesus Christ.

Food for thought #2:
The joyous celebration of Jesus isn't locked into any season of the year -- or particular days of the week (...or the year.) These seasons and days are important -- and give us useful traditions for spreading the Gospel.

Food for thought #3:
The Lord's ongoing invitation of reverence is found at the Communion Table and the in the waters of baptism. Our response as Christians is not at all limited to the sacred ordnances -- but in the WILLING giving of our hearts in worship, devotion, and obedience to Christ.

Food for thought #4:
Our ongoing devotion includes life and ministry within the family web of relationships -- Christmas is a very happy time to extend God's love given in Christ into our family relationships. The fun, food, and fellowship of giving and receiving gifts -- The unselfishness and generosity -- I respectfully submit -- therein is ALSO the heart of Christ on Christmas.

So to all who will join in singing the carols and rejoicing in the telling of the story of Messiah on Christmas Eve -- and remain home sharing God's love and goodness with your families on Christmas morning.... A BLESSED AND MERRY CHRISTMAS!

And to all who will postpone the gifts and the treats until after church or chapel on Christmas Sunday morning.... A BLESSED AND MERRY CHRISTMAS

I would finally offer that we are not degrading Christmas... or Christian tradition by sharing corporate worship on Christmas Eve.. and/or Christmas-Sunday-Morning.

May we please stop sending hurtful words against one another -- and against the Lord's church and His servants in Gospel ministry?

We serve the Living God.. in Christ... through relationships He made possible...

NOT in religious traditions and rituals...

The journey through this life -- together -- is the "destination" of sorts.

May we enjoy the ride...

Jesus came to purchase for us....
ALL THE LORD'S BLESSINGS

Respectfully
Ol' Wings

29 posted on 12/16/2005 6:52:47 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The answers are out there; Wisdom is gained by asking the right questions)
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To: FerdieMurphy

bump


36 posted on 12/16/2005 7:49:20 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: FerdieMurphy
...Christmas day, which falls on a Sunday this year.

Bears repeating.

39 posted on 12/16/2005 8:44:29 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Luke 2 : 8-14)
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To: FerdieMurphy
I would disagree.
My church is having a Christmas Eve service and "pot luck" and no service on Christmas Day. Hardly the degradation the Evangelical Church.
43 posted on 12/16/2005 12:56:36 PM PST by svcw
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To: FerdieMurphy

I suppose the reasons vary. I know that some are not having services on Sunday because they are having a late service on Christmas Eve. It's their own decision. If you happen to go to a church that chose not to have services on Christmas Day, there are plenty out there that are holding services. Go visiting!


47 posted on 12/16/2005 1:46:01 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

my church in Springfield is having service Sunday morning.

The wife and I will be out of town with her parents though so we won't be there.


51 posted on 12/16/2005 2:03:41 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: FerdieMurphy

Can't expect preachers to work on Christmas. When are they
going to demand their Sundays off?


58 posted on 12/16/2005 2:20:47 PM PST by RWCon
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To: FerdieMurphy

If the church is closed on Christmas Day, leave them and join another one. Permanently.

I know around where I am, of the 46 churches in my area, 11 are having a full slate of services, 29 are scaling back and 6 (mostly liberal Unitarian churches) are cancelling all services on Christmas Day.


60 posted on 12/17/2005 5:09:41 PM PST by Heartofsong83
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