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Canada shrugs off U.S. warning to back off
Reuters via Yahoo! ^ | December 13, 2005 | Randall Palmer and Allan Dowd

Posted on 12/13/2005 5:42:26 PM PST by Brilliant

OTTAWA/SURREY, British Columbia (Reuters) - The United States made an unprecedented foray into Canada's election campaign on Tuesday, warning politicians not to bash Washington in their bid to win the January 23 election.

But an unapologetic Liberal Prime Minister Paul Martin responded immediately by saying "c'est la vie" -- that's life -- if the United States did not like his remarks, and he would not accept anyone telling him he cannot defend his country.

In a hard-hitting speech in Ottawa, U.S. Ambassador David Wilkins lamented what he called relentless and incessant criticism of his country, which he speculated might begin to sow doubt about the strength of the binational relationship.

"Canada never has to tear the United States down to build itself up," Wilkins said.

"It may be smart election politics to thump your chest and constantly criticize your friend and your No. 1 trading partner. But it's a slippery slope and all of us should hope it doesn't have a long-term impact on our relationship."

Wilkins did not name the prime minister directly, but he specifically targeted a comment made last week at the Montreal climate change conference in which Martin called on the United States to heed a "global conscience" and join efforts to combat global warming.

That remark -- on top of criticism of U.S. policy on lumber, guns, passports and Iraq -- appeared to have riled the White House the most, particularly since Canada has a proportionally worse record than the United States on reining in greenhouse gas emissions.

"I would respectfully submit to you that when it comes to a 'global conscience' the United States is walking the walk," Wilkins said, addressing the Canadian Club of Ottawa.

"And when it comes to climate change, we are making significant progress, greater progress than many of those who have been most critical of the U.S."

In the campaign for the June 2004 election Martin regularly said Canada did not want U.S.-style health care, fiscal deficits, taxes or attack ads.

But in the last several months, particularly in frustration over U.S. refusal to eliminate duties on Canadian softwood, he has made more direct attacks on U.S. policy, and continued to do so during the election campaign.

Martin refused to back down on Tuesday in Surrey, British Columbia.

"That our friends do not like what we say -- well, c'est la vie. I'm going to defend Canada and I'm right on softwood lumber and I'm right on climate change and I won't let anybody tell me that I should not defend my country," he said.

He also dismissed the idea that he was trying to single out Washington as part of his election campaign.

"I have not made the United States or any country a target in this campaign," he said, noting that he had outlined Canada's stand on softwood lumber and climate change long before the election was called.

Martin, whose minority government was brought down on November 28 after an official report detailed Liberal kickbacks which were used in election campaigns, currently leads Conservative leader Stephen Harper in the polls but not by enough to regain a majority in Parliament.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: americahaters; americastoupee; annexation; blamecanada; bushhaters; canada; canuckistan; davidwilkins; usembassy
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To: xmission
Canadian freepers are a very elite, select group. And it goes without saying that any Canada-bashing here excludes our freeper friends.

If the average Canadian citizen is a little tired of bashing the U.S. then that's good news -- they can vote for a new team. And if, on the other hand, it makes them feel good to bash the U.S., then tell them to go ahead -- it'll help us figure out who our friends really are.

41 posted on 12/13/2005 6:38:50 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington

I think we're in a win-win situation here in the U.S. with the Canadian elections. If Harper should win, fine, we've got a PM who is at least friendlier towards us. If the corrupt moron, Martin, wins again even in the face of all the scandals, then the momentum towards Quebec and Alberta separation starts rolling on.

Either way Canada may not look the same five years from now.


42 posted on 12/13/2005 6:45:56 PM PST by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Brilliant

"I'm not sure why we tell the Canadians not to "bash" America"

I think it's madcap hilarity that we'd even make such a whine to world class whiners. If we really cared if Canada "bashed" the US, we'd shut down the border for, say, 48 hours...just to screw with them....no explanation.

That would give the politicians something to argue about.

If we really wanted to mess with them, we'd insist on 100% checks all the time at the border. Make it impossible to cross......all those Canadian businesses would have to move their operations to the US if they wanted to do business here.

But of course, we don't really care if Canada "bashes" the U.S. - that's why we sent a "diplomatic" message. They're in the middle of a political campaign, and they get a little wacky in the process. So what?


43 posted on 12/13/2005 6:46:35 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: 68skylark

At the government level and among well read conservatives in the USA, there are similar feelings for Canada and France.


44 posted on 12/13/2005 6:46:36 PM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: 68skylark

Don Cherry for PM!


45 posted on 12/13/2005 6:49:32 PM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: RFEngineer

One of the other posters pointed out that if you read the article, the comments made by the American ambassador really did not support the reporter's spin. We did not "warn" Canada of anything.

It's a point well taken.


46 posted on 12/13/2005 6:50:19 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Canada is responsible for Global Warning?


47 posted on 12/13/2005 6:53:21 PM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: aCDNinUSA
The Canadian health care is a big joke! My Mother-in-law has heart problems and today her DR. wanted to admit her into the hospital, but there were no f'ing beds available. Apparently she was told to go home and that they would contact her as soon as they could find a bed. But get this -she was 10th in line to get a bed -yeah 10th! It is now almost 8 hours and now she is down to number 6!

It's a fraud. Nothing more than The Big Lie.

Your mother-in-law could be having an evolving infarction right now and could be in need of thrombolytics but.....hey......the medical care is FREE!!!!!

Canadian politicians don't have to put up with this travesty as they get immediate care at Canadian military hospital without having to take a number on a waiting list.

The dirty little secret that Canadian Government bean-counters won't tell you is that they know that a dead Canadian costs the Canadian Government far less than a a Canadian that is diagnosed promptly and treated appropriately.

By contrast, today at our Tumor Board, we discussed a patient who presented with a breast lump on a Thursday morning, had her mammogram and ultrasound in the early afternoon on the same day, had her biopsy in the late afternoon on the same day, had a pathological diagnosis by Monday morning and had her surgery that same day.

They don't want U.S. health care north of the border?

Fine.

That is why I have Canadian patients come to me when they want a timely diagnosis.

48 posted on 12/13/2005 6:55:21 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Polybius
I say tax the Canadians import and export taxes at 35% to help pay for their decadent global warming of the world!
49 posted on 12/13/2005 7:02:19 PM PST by thomas16
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To: Brilliant

I actually agree with the title in the context of the whole article. Granted, the "warning" is one of consequences to our "long-term relationship" in the diplomatic sense.

We are whining, but I suppose that's what we pay our ambassador to Canada to do.

Of COURSE the politicians are going to sieze on that.....Martin gets to posture as standing up against the "bully" which plays well to the home audience.

We don't really care. We have an ambassador that pretends to care, but that's about it.


50 posted on 12/13/2005 7:04:18 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Brilliant
Yup, but if we trade NYC and New England for everything west of Ontario, we'd both be happy.

We have a winner! I'm not so sure about Vancouver though...

51 posted on 12/13/2005 7:05:49 PM PST by Adiemus
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To: Adiemus
Yup, but if we trade NYC and New England for everything west of Ontario, we'd both be happy.

Please keep NH. We're trying to win it back. We need a fence here along our southern border also. Dan
52 posted on 12/13/2005 7:14:31 PM PST by xmission (What has four legs and an arm?... A happy pitbull)
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To: Brilliant
"Canada never has to tear the United States down to build itself up," Wilkins said.

Wrong..... you have to tear down the USA to deflect critism of your own incompetence. And believe me, the Canadian goverment is proving itself very liberal and incompetent.

53 posted on 12/13/2005 7:19:40 PM PST by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: Brilliant

The Press in Canada is hoping to create a backlash in order to prop up the Liberal Party. What better way to herd the voters back to the liberal pen than create a US vs Canada story.


54 posted on 12/13/2005 7:23:04 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion it will give it to you.)
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To: Brilliant

Martin is a scumbag. The election will simply tell us if the majority of Canadian voters are also scumbags.


55 posted on 12/13/2005 7:27:46 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: xmission

"We are definately getting very tired of the bashing though."

As are we. Throwing garbage over your neighbors fence never struck me as productive.

Beaver Fever


56 posted on 12/13/2005 7:34:29 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: Paladin2

You're correct. I keep getting my kunuck compass mixed up.


57 posted on 12/13/2005 7:35:01 PM PST by PokeyJoe (What exactly is lime jello?)
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington

"Relations may be bad, but at least it occurs at a time when we don't have to worry about the Canuck military."

Of course you don't. They're all in Afghanistan fighting side by side with Americans and taking casualties as we speak.

But you already knew that.


58 posted on 12/13/2005 7:39:26 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

"They would never get any decent action if a northern wall went up."

If you take up with Canadian women you're the one getting the action. Heh Heh.

Where do you think Playboy does all its recruiting.

Flame Girls Rule.


59 posted on 12/13/2005 7:43:30 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

And besides if we annexed Canada it would be like having one giant blue state to the north. The Republicans would never win again.

I would hope the Dims haven't read this. Their formula for defeating us red staters. They and their MSM allys would begin a major campaign for annexation. We don't want to put ideas in their heads for heavens sake.


60 posted on 12/13/2005 7:47:37 PM PST by sasportas
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