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Hollowed bullet easy to get & hard to survive
NY Daily News ^ | 12/12/05 | ALISON GENDAR and DAVE GOLDINER

Posted on 12/13/2005 9:20:22 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

Hollowed bullet easy to get & hard to survive

BY ALISON GENDAR and DAVE GOLDINER DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

Hollow-point bullets like the one used in the slaying of Officer Daniel Enchautegui are much deadlier than ordinary bullets - and nearly as easy to get.

Cops favor using the hollow-point bullets because they are less likely to pass through a target and ricochet into a fellow cop or bystander.

But they want their public sale banned to keep them out of the hands of thugs like Enchautegui's alleged killers, Steven Armento and Lillo Brancato.

"Our mission is to stop violent felons," said Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch. "There is no reason for anyone else to have that ability."

Armento allegedly shot Enchautegui with his father's .357-caliber handgun, loaded with the hollow-point bullets.

Anyone with a gun permit can buy the hollow-points in a gun shop. They also are readily available on the black market.

"Anybody can go out and buy them," said Michael Palladino, head of the Detectives' Endowment Association.

The main difference between hollow-point and regular, "full-metal jacket" bullets is that the hollow-points flatten on impact and expand inside a target.

The NYPD switched to the new ammo in 1999.

"They are less likely to penetrate the intended target and hit a bystander," said Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Browne.

An on-duty cop's bulletproof vest would likely provide the same protection from a hollow-point as a regular bullet.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; bradywatch; hollowpoints
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1 posted on 12/13/2005 9:20:23 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim
Holy cow! It took until 1999 for the NYPD to start using hollowpoints!? Amazing...
2 posted on 12/13/2005 9:21:48 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: TChris

interestingly, in many states only expanding bullets are legal for hunting since solid bullets just dont work and result in a wounded animal running off.

odd that the reverse is generally true under geneva convention, i believe. no doubt a freeper will double check me on that.


3 posted on 12/13/2005 9:25:48 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: TChris

I'll give them my hollow points...........


4 posted on 12/13/2005 9:25:48 AM PST by RambozoDClown
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To: TChris
"Our mission is to stop violent felons," said Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch. "There is no reason for anyone else to have that ability."

Idiot - as a private citizen I have the right to defend myself and my home with the best ammo I can buy - I have just as much of a right to protect myself against violent felons as you do - ignorant @hole.....

5 posted on 12/13/2005 9:26:38 AM PST by michaelbfree
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To: kiriath_jearim

"They also are readily available on the black market."
"Anyone with a gun permit can buy the hollow-points in a gun shop."

I am completely confused by this article.

You have to have a gun permit to buy them legally and violent felons don't have gun permits...therefore, violent felons are not buying the hollow points from the legal market.

Simple logic escapes New York. But again, these cop "organizations" are nothing more than liberal groups acting as self appointed spokesmen. LAPD has the same problem.


6 posted on 12/13/2005 9:26:59 AM PST by xusafflyer (Mexifornian by birth, Hoosier by choice)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"Our mission is to stop violent felons," said Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch. "There is no reason for anyone else to have that ability."

So then I can expect two of your hollow-point armed officers to come and maintain a 24x7 watch over my life and property? ;)

7 posted on 12/13/2005 9:28:37 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When government does too much, nobody else does much of anything." -- Mark Steyn)
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To: RambozoDClown

Not so pointy end first...??


8 posted on 12/13/2005 9:28:46 AM PST by LambSlave (Molon Labe)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Some never see a proposed regulation that they don't like. This cannot be regulated. One could buy old-fashioned 38 special lead round-nosed bullets, flatten the nose, deep criss cross the nose, and have bullets that deliver more energy shallow like hollow points. With full metal jacketed rounds the tips can be sawed off. Criminals are the problem, not the guns, knifes, and crow bars they use.
9 posted on 12/13/2005 9:29:28 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (France kicked Germany's teeth out at Verdun among other places.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Somewhere in a drawer in my house is a box of Black Talons.


10 posted on 12/13/2005 9:31:28 AM PST by najida (Cruelty, mockery, ridicule; the weapon of sanctimonious bullies too stupid to recognize insults ;))
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To: kiriath_jearim
"Our mission is to stop violent felons," said Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch. "There is no reason for anyone else to have that ability."

So, the public has no right to self defense, Mr. Lynch?

11 posted on 12/13/2005 9:32:33 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: kiriath_jearim

More NOOYAWK bulldooky!


12 posted on 12/13/2005 9:33:03 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, ALEX KOZINSKI FOR SCOTUS)
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"Our mission is to stop violent felons," said Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch. "There is no reason for anyone else to have that ability."

Hey fool, that's the same reason I have them.

13 posted on 12/13/2005 9:33:41 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: michaelbfree

Pat Lynch is essentially a union boss - one expects him to make stupid and fascist comments in keeping with the union standard.


14 posted on 12/13/2005 9:34:27 AM PST by wideawake
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To: kiriath_jearim
Hornady XTP's rock.

That being said, this author is an idiot. Didn't stop to think that anyone with a drill press and some re-loading equipment can make all the "hollow point" bullts out of FMJ that they want.

15 posted on 12/13/2005 9:34:43 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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"Our mission is to stop violent felons," said Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch. "There is no reason for anyone else to have that ability."

Completely out of his freakin' PBA mind. What could this dipswitch POSSIBLY be thinking to make such a misguided statement? OMG.

16 posted on 12/13/2005 9:35:09 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: RambozoDClown

Is the 'Talon' still out there somewhere? I haven't heard about them in a while.


17 posted on 12/13/2005 9:35:21 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: TChris; kiriath_jearim
Holy cow! It took until 1999 for the NYPD to start using hollowpoints!? Amazing...

These are the same people that required Glock
to put a 12.5 lb trigger on a gun
which comes with a 5.5 lb trigger.

18 posted on 12/13/2005 9:35:26 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: kiriath_jearim
"Our mission is to stop violent felons," said Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch. "There is no reason for anyone else to have that ability."..."Anyone with a gun permit can buy the hollow-points in a gun shop. They also are readily available on the black market."

Good thinking there Lynchie. Prevent law-abiding citizens from purchasing hollowpoints while allowing criminals to buy them from the trunk of a car.

19 posted on 12/13/2005 9:35:42 AM PST by jjm2111 (99.7 FM Radio Kuwait - Whatever you do, don't say the 'C' word!"_)
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To: najida

I should have read down to your post. I was wondering if they were still kicking.


20 posted on 12/13/2005 9:36:38 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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