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Whirlpool to lay off 730 U.S. workers [Mexico Gains]
UPI ^ | 12/12/2005

Posted on 12/12/2005 1:22:19 PM PST by ncountylee

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To: Sterco

"Sometimes true, often false, same old mantra."

OK, my friends and I will get together and extort money from you using picket lines around your home and place of business, threatening phone calls to your friends, beatings, and arson.

This is what I dealt with as a business owner until I finally fired everybody and shut down my business, whereupon I got several more death threats for depriving honest, hard-working thugs of their union dues payments.


61 posted on 12/12/2005 3:48:57 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: Sterco

I didn't say they are not descent or they are dirt.

Only, when I speak to them, I am not sure if they are well educated at all. Some even seemed disabled.

So, I think they are lucky that they can generate income to support themselves and they have WALMART to thank for it. Largest employer in US!


62 posted on 12/12/2005 3:50:32 PM PST by The_Republican
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

In my thirty years as a union member I have never raised a threatening hand against anyone. I have spent quite a few of them as a local union officer. I have had beer bottles sailed at me on the picket line (of which I have been on maybe four). No one had the guts to attempt crossing our line so violence was not an issue. Perhaps you would have been that fool. I know of no threatening phone calls to any-one. I will say this. If anyone listening is stupid enough to cross a Teamsters picket line then they deserve the ass whooping they get. That is a no brainer. I know of no outfit that is Teamster that is not making good money. Prove me wrong. I have said it before here and I will say it again. Union does not belong in small business. Some of my brothers may disagree but I will stand by my statement. My brothers also know that I am conservative and Republican and I never even came close to losing union office. My union rolled with the punches when the RR was having a tought time of it. We made sacrifices and we have all prospered. Check out the symbols. BNI, KSU, UPI, NSC. You should only wish that you owned this stock. We do not cripple the hand that feeds us.


63 posted on 12/12/2005 3:59:37 PM PST by Sterco
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To: Sterco
If anyone listening is stupid enough to cross a Teamsters picket line then they deserve the ass whooping they get.

You admit you are thugs. How refreshing!

64 posted on 12/12/2005 4:10:48 PM PST by packrat35 (The America hating bastards at the NYT must spend their entire life with their heads in the toiletat)
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To: The_Republican
If Whirlpool doesn't want WALMART to put them out of Business, they would HAVE to lower the cost.

Wal-Mart doesn't manufacture appliances and Whirlpool doesn't manage a chain of stores selling cheap goods. And I don't believe that Wal-Mart sells refrigerators or washers, either. I fail to see where one can put the other out of business.

By the way, all those appliances you see sold at places like Sam's Clubs are prior year models. Wal-Mart buys up excess inventory when GE or other manufacturers change models and that's how they sell them so inexpensively.

In Korea they are almost there in trying to find lower cost solution and replace MS.

Yes. That's what IBM thought when they put out OS/2.

As far as educational skill, its never too late. They don't have God given right to remain stupid.

You would think that, wouldn't you? But as far as educational skills go what would you suggest they study?

65 posted on 12/12/2005 4:11:35 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: SolidSupplySide
Which fact do you dispute? That more Americans are employed today than at any other time in history? Or that Americans are wealthier today than at any time in history?

No, your claim that all those new jobs are better paying than the ones they replace. The BLS statistice someone posted earlier show that on average they pay about half the salary that the Whirlpool workers made.

66 posted on 12/12/2005 4:13:29 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Sterco

Compare and contrast:

"In my thirty years as a union member I have never raised a threatening hand against anyone."

versus

"If anyone listening is stupid enough to cross a Teamsters picket line then they deserve the ass whooping they get."

Those statements would have been funny if they hadn't been so pathetic.

Thank you for proving my point about unions being violent extortionists, though.


67 posted on 12/12/2005 4:14:44 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: Sterco
In my thirty years as a union member I have never raised a threatening hand against anyone....If anyone listening is stupid enough to cross a Teamsters picket line then they deserve the ass whooping they get.

Somewhere there is a serious disconnect between those two statements.

68 posted on 12/12/2005 4:16:23 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Non-Sequitur

It doesn't matter who makes them, Whirlpool profits from them. Whirlpool (or any company for that matter) can't just arbitrarily raise prices and sit back and make more money. There is no such thing as cost push inflation. Whirlpool can only charge what the market will bear. If it is paying its workers too much it will have to lay them off, lower their wages, or go out of business - or - move to a lower wage country.


69 posted on 12/12/2005 4:20:40 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: dennisw

"Yeah I suppose these workers were greedy b@stards same as the Delphi workers who are being busted down from $26/hour to $12/hour. Come on Freeper union busters! Here is your thread to tell us how much you despise unions, how Americans should accept slave wages."

...

I don't have a problem with people who actually have the skills and knowledge that warrant $26.00 an hour or more. My problem is example: with people whose only job is to stand OR SIT on an assembly line slapping a product sticker on the product. Or when a burnt out light bulb needs to be changed out of a simple desk lamp and only a "union" person is permitted to perform the task.



70 posted on 12/12/2005 4:20:52 PM PST by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: Sterco

"A country is judged by the strength of it's middle class. Right now ours is under assault from every direction. It's a long fall from ivory towers."

...

And Walmart wasn't the company to start that ball rolling decades ago. Walmart isn't a factory, it's a retailer. Factory production has and is the back bone of a thriving country.


71 posted on 12/12/2005 4:23:51 PM PST by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Thankyou for not crossing a picket line


72 posted on 12/12/2005 4:57:26 PM PST by Sterco
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Yea and someday when we live in a nation of burger makers we will wonder here most of the Manufacturing, IT, Law, Medical Tech, etc Jobs went we can thank free treason that they are not here... oh who am I kidding we will have machines made in China to flip the burger and someone in India to take our order at the drive through..

Thank God he is in chage because with people like you thinking you are, we need him!

73 posted on 12/12/2005 5:02:01 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Non-Sequitur; The_Republican
I suppose all these former factory workers should hie themselves down to the local Junior College and become computer programmers?

NS: Why bother soon those jobs will fall under the category of 'over paid' American labor and we will need the cheaper Indian, Chinese, or $PissPoorNationWithTerribleHumanRights to do it for us to save 15% on something..

74 posted on 12/12/2005 5:04:41 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: You Dirty Rats
You are against freedom and in favor of new taxes? What are you, a big-government liberal?

You seem to think that the Governemets initial revenue source (tariffs) which was approved by and used by the founding fathers is new big government liberalism? wow! BTW I am not against Wirl-Pool going to Mexico and making washers I am against the American Worker getting screwed by it! I am all for Free trade with Japan, Europe, South Korea, Australlia, New Zeland, ....

75 posted on 12/12/2005 5:09:04 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Sterco

I'd cross one, but I have a CC permit.


76 posted on 12/12/2005 5:09:28 PM PST by ChuckHam
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To: groanup
Whirlpool (or any company for that matter) can't just arbitrarily raise prices and sit back and make more money.

No, they cut the costs by moving manufacturing overseas and leave the prices as they are. Works about the same as raising prices, though they'll do that too.

Whirlpool can only charge what the market will bear.

When you have 80% of the market it will bear a lot.

If it is paying its workers too much it will have to lay them off, lower their wages, or go out of business - or - move to a lower wage country.

Why are they paying their workers too much? What suddenly caused the work they do to be worth less? If their productivity goes up aren't their services worth more than before? And what about management? Isn't it possible that they are being paid too much too? But they're never the ones who suffer. And far from going out of business Whirlpool is a pretty well. Over $400 million in profits last year. Stock price is up about 30% over the last year. All while being saddled with those nasty U.S. workers.

77 posted on 12/12/2005 6:09:29 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: N3WBI3
...soon those jobs will fall under the category of 'over paid' American labor and we will need the cheaper Indian, Chinese, or $PissPoorNationWithTerribleHumanRights to do it for us to save 15% on something..

What do you mean 'soon'? It's been happening for years to programmers, engineers, customer support, medical, you name it.

78 posted on 12/12/2005 6:10:46 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: bkepley
It could be a conspiracy between manufacturers multinational corporations and consumers globalist politicians to destroy America.
79 posted on 12/12/2005 6:15:31 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Sterco
These Union workers you speak of contribute to their economies both locally and on a national level.

The Teamsters working on my (former) plant floor and driving my (former) trucks contributed absolutely nothing to me. In fact, they could've walked into my office and strong-armed me for my wallet and there would've been no difference. Screw 'em.

80 posted on 12/12/2005 6:16:53 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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