LIVE THREAD - UPDATE: TOOKIE WILLIAMS EXECUTED

Fox news | Dec 12, 2005

[commish]

Gov. Shwarzeneggar expected to make announcement on Tookie Williams Execution Clemency shortly according to Fox News.

[ichabod1]

Hey Arnold! Let Mah PIPPLE GGGOOOO!!!!!

[demkicker]

We lock up somebody for 25 years and *then* finally take them out. It's worse than either would be alone.

OTOH, that's fine with many of us based on the crimes that were committed.

[InsureAmerica]

being an entrepreneur, depending on how this goes, I will create a line of Tookie Cookies, soft chewy inside, nice & crispy outside. If anyone else does it, this post will be proof that I though of it first. I will send all proceeds to charity (less my 98% for costs and what not, mind you)

[BunnySlippers]

This just on the NYSE Broad Tape:

12 *DJ US Fed Court Rejects Execution Stay For Tookie Williams

[DCPatriot]

Rush wasn't on....

Caught that this afternoon in my car when he stated the KIA total in Iraq was 1800 and some guy died in California after having sex with a horse.

That was quite a long time ago.

[DirtyHarryY2K]

9th Circuit denies appeal!!

Good!

[River_Wrangler]

Fox News report....Jesse Jackson compared Tookie to Nelson Mandela, Malcom X and even Moses!

Well, I agree with his statements on Mandela but have a problem with comparing him to Moses.

[MEG33]

It's the Cal Supreme Court that rejected the latest appeal, I believe I heard..half listening.and that was just in..not old news..

[infidel29]

Okay, thanks both of you for the correction/clarification. I knew the guy was in politics either way.

[Howlin]

That's what I was thinking!

[Right Cal Gal]

Now THAT is news. The 9th Circus never met a murderer it didn't like.

[demkicker]

I'm hoping you are right. Sounds smart to me....

[Howlin]

Well, excuse me; Fox just announced it as Breaking News from the AP.

[dennis1x]

now that the appeals process has run its course arnold can now grant clemency...as he should.

[b4its2late]

Yep. Came up sick or something. Must've been sudden since there was no sit in host.

[Rummyfan]

I have a friend who is an agnostic dyslexic insomniac! He lays awake every night wondering if there really is a DOG!

[gondramB]

Isn't the 9th supposed to be the most liberal Federal court in the country ? And even they won't issue an injunction.

[Titan Magroyne]

Bears repeating - that is, your entire post - but I wish to highlight the parts that especially sing to me whenever I hear calls from uninvolved parties to the crime for forgiveness of criminals: Capital punishment is a consequence that MUST be available to the courts in order for any society to have a sufficient system of justice. When such crimes are committed that the victims have been horribly injusticed and, having been slain, are no longer able to speak for themselves, it is a perversion for anyone to presume to offer forgiveness on their behalf. Family members and friends yet living may choose to forgive a perpetrator for the pain caused them personally, but only the dead may speak for themselves. Since they cannot, this having been guaranteed by the perpetrator himself, their silence ought be his condemnation and his consequence ought rightly be death.

Without threat of such consequence, what justice is there for the slain? What vile and backhanded glory do we bestow upon perpetrators of deadly violence if we cannot enact the most full and complete Earthly justice of which we are capable; to demand from them their very lives? The elimination of capital punishment is the castration of all human justice and a preverse ovffering of forgiveness; presuming to speak for the slain that which the slain have not spoken.

And do not begin to say to me, "Oh, but do you not know that Jesus taught us to forgive?" for surely I have know these things from my youth, but to assert that Jesus teaching in this regard is applicable at this juncture is a perversion of his teaching and of justice; both at once. Jesus truly taught that we ought forgive, but he speaks of we who are yet alive offering forgiveness, each for the wrong done to us. Never does Jesus teach that we have the right or the standing before God to presume to forgive on behalf of the dead; far less so they who have been unjustly and violently slain. The dead may speak to God for themselves and grant forgiveness if they will, but that forgiveness does NOT extend to the life of the perpetrator still living on Earth, nor can we have any assurance that such forgiveness has even been offered, for the dead are consigned to the silence of the grave, and this by the hand of their murderer, who now seeks forgiveness. How absurd, then, for anyone, whether a man, or even an angel from Heaven, to interfere with the machinations of justice and presume to bring words of forgiveness from beyond the grave! As if the dead had spoken and this messenger had come to deliver their message.

Also, do not say to me, "But Jesus has given forgiveness to all on the cross, and who are we to put a man to death and, in so doing, cut him off eternally from receipt of that divine grace?" You ought know as well as I that each must settle his own account before God, and that it is appointed once for a man to die and then Judgment. If a man will not make his peace at the threshold of the gas chamber, then his hour is passed and he damns himself, having chosen his own road to Hell. The forgivenss offered at the cross is available all the time, and a man may apprehend it at the Spirit's slightest nudge. But the soul that resists, rebels and rejects; with that soul will the Sprit not continually strive. There will come the day when that soul shall be relinquished to it's own devices; the grace of God having been contemptibly and forcibly refused.

Dread of the power of government to exact the fullest measure of justice is the single thread that binds up the fabric of civil society. Loose that thread and all of society begins to unravel. For the rejection of that power renders the civil government the more impotent to adequately preserve peace and order among the governed, and renders the government a thing the less fearsome and, thus, the less to be respected as having the power and the will to uphold justice. A government that is "nice" will soon be no government at all, but wil descend into violent anarchy.

Thus, capital punishment MUST necessarily be a mode of punishment available to a complete and healthy system of justice.

[Howlin]

That's what they said: 9th Circuit just denied his appeal.

Tookie better order that last meal now.

[musicman]

"9th Circuit REJECTS Tookie's appeal!"

YESSSS!!!. I hope this is what the guv was waiting for. Now he can say he agrees with them and be done with it...(I hope)...