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JON CARROLL: The Senseless Death Penalty
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 12/12/5 | Jon Carroll

Posted on 12/12/2005 7:49:30 AM PST by SmithL

Stanley Tookie Williams, the convicted murderer, has done an impressive amount of stuff since his incarceration in 1981. He has written an autobiography plus eight books for children about gangs and gang violence. He has spoken eloquently about the destruction that drugs and gangs can cause. He has rallied an impressive array of people to the cause of his appeal for clemency from his death sentence. He has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize any number of times.

His supporters say he has turned his life around. He has become a force for good. He merits special consideration because he has been so important in motivating children not to choose the life that he did. Those arguments, quite frankly, make me nuts.

I have no opinion about whether Tookie Williams has been rehabilitated. I'm not even sure that "rehabilitation" is a meaningful concept. A lot of people in prison are con artists; it's a useful skill on the street. The way to clemency was undoubtedly clear to a man of Williams' intelligence, and the fact that he chose that path means that either (a) he has had a change of heart or (b) that he hasn't. I dunno. I can't judge from afar, and neither can you.

I think subjective judgments about character are not really relevant in death penalty cases. To believe that they are relevant is to believe that uncharismatic, untalented, surly and/or mentally retarded death row prisoners are not worth saving, while a really cool guy is. Are we saying that it's OK to kill sneaky little weasel-faced people and not OK to kill handsome, intelligent, well-muscled people? It's fine to construct a hierarchy of character if one is, say, choosing a mate or a president. . . .

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deathpenalty; frymumia; frytookie; stanleywilliams
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Tookie Delenda Est!
1 posted on 12/12/2005 7:49:30 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL
I think subjective judgments about character are not really relevant in death penalty cases.

There's a way around that -- do away with clemency altogether, considering that it is generally a crass exercise in politics to begin with.

2 posted on 12/12/2005 7:52:51 AM PST by kevkrom ("Zero-sum games are transactions mostly initiated by thieves and governments." - Walter Williams)
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To: SmithL

The Tookster can do more good by accepting his sentence with remorse towards his victims than any number of childrens books he may write.


3 posted on 12/12/2005 7:53:38 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: SmithL

...Stanley Tookie Williams, the convicted murderer, has done an impressive amount of stuff since his incarceration in 1981. ...

His victims, on the other hand, remain dead, Jon, you scumbag.

Fry this turkey!


5 posted on 12/12/2005 7:55:27 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com ("It's time for a f****** war, so join the army of hardcore")
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To: SmithL

The senseless death penalty is the penalty innocent people pay due to the actions of criminals. They die at the whim of human debris like Tookie Williams. Eliminating a cancer like Williams is a must to maintain civility. If we had about 3 human cancer deletions a day, all publicly shown, a nessage would be sent and received and most cancers like Williams would be eliminated.


6 posted on 12/12/2005 7:55:47 AM PST by right right
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To: SmithL
I'm sick of hearing about how this sadistic ghoul has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Anybody can nominate anybody for a Nobel Peace Prize. I think I'll nominate Evil Knevel or Jerry Springer.
7 posted on 12/12/2005 7:55:48 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: SmithL

The death penalty does not deter and it does not cure.
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Pure liberal crap. The only reason it does not deter, is because of a liberal judiciary that does not uphold it. Criminals know that if they kill MULTIPLE PEOPLE they will be in the Death Row Hilton for decades and never executed.

Liberal hogwash. Only from San Freakcisco.


8 posted on 12/12/2005 7:55:50 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: SmithL
If California had death by electrocution we would have a Crispy Crip.
9 posted on 12/12/2005 7:56:06 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: SmithL

Senseless death penalty? Only if you wait 25 years before they throw the switch.


10 posted on 12/12/2005 7:56:27 AM PST by txroadhawg ("Stuck on stupid? I invented stupid! " Al Gore)
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To: SmithL
"MAN UP, Tookie!"
11 posted on 12/12/2005 8:00:13 AM PST by Solamente
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To: Soul_of_Chogokin

This Piece of $@#$ murdered in cold blood a man over 25 years ago.. still he sits on Death Row... he has NEVER expressed remorse for his actions, and even if he did, it doesn't negate his crime. He forfieted his life when he did what he did... let alone the tens of thousands of others who have died thanks to the gangs that he helped create....

Fry him, and let God have mercy on his soul, because he finds none from me.


12 posted on 12/12/2005 8:00:31 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: SmithL

Bet this Jon Carroll fellow is a pantywaist pillow-biter. He sounds a bit enamored of big, strong Stanley.

The execution of Stanley is not "cold-blooded." His murders, however were in cold blood. Inject the racist, murdering scum, NOW!


13 posted on 12/12/2005 8:01:23 AM PST by ExpatGator (Progressivism: A polyp on the colon politic.)
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To: SmithL
This writer needs to be tied up and a shotgun held to his head by a drugged up gang member for 24 hours...
14 posted on 12/12/2005 8:04:09 AM PST by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party)
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To: SmithL
"The death penalty does not deter and it does not cure."

I beg the differ with you. No executed murderer has ever gone on to be a repeat offender.

15 posted on 12/12/2005 8:10:35 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: SmithL

Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed - - "

The Manufacturer knows his product better than a thousand liberals do.


16 posted on 12/12/2005 8:10:39 AM PST by RoadTest (Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem. - Psalm 51:18)
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To: SmithL

The DP is a wonderful deterrent - we should use it more often. Fry him now.


17 posted on 12/12/2005 8:11:32 AM PST by 4CJ (Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito, qua tua te fortuna sinet.)
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To: Dallas59

I frankly don't care if this guy has ever expressed remorse ....why should that change my mind on his punishment?


18 posted on 12/12/2005 8:13:15 AM PST by Blue Turtle
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To: SmithL
I would take his claims of redemption by fighting against gangs somewhat seriously if he had helped police fight the gangs. Has he turned on a single member of his Crips? Provided the police with any information on how they were organized which could be useful fighting them? Nope.

Personally I expect that his books were actually ghostwritten - all he provided was his name.

19 posted on 12/12/2005 8:13:30 AM PST by KarlInOhio (In memory of Alvin Owen, Thsai-Shai Yang, Yen-I Yang and Yee Chen Lin:the victims of Tookie Williams)
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To: SmithL

I usually don't drink in the morning but I may get up at midnight and have a toast for the toasted one.


20 posted on 12/12/2005 8:17:13 AM PST by SF Republican
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