Stop Erecting of Statue of Genocide Leader Ataturk in Rome!

Action Commitees of Armenia and Greece ^ | December 11, 2005 | International Armenian Network

[eleni121]

Please click the following link and send an email to the Mayor of Rome protesting the erection of a mass murderer Mustafa kemal Ataturk.

http://www.ian.cc/acciones.php

[eleni121]

I've heard of it and cannot believe it.

On a par with this Ataturk thing in Rome. What is it about some of these cities?

[eleni121]

The Young Turks which Ataturk controlled were part and parcel of the genocide. The genocide did not just end in 1915, but continued even after Ataturk took control. The crimes against Christians taking place in Turkey have continued throughout the 20th century.

[uglybiker]

Say NO to a Statue of ataturk in Rome - Stormfront White ...

A point in favor of the statue if the mouth-breathers over Stormfront don't like it.

[eleni121]

The Turkish government spends millions pushing their propaganda in universities and the media all over the world. Turkey has spent - bribes really - millions of dollars in lobbying for themselves over the years. Once you understand this you will understand the truth.

By the way, denying Dr Balakian's historical perspective in order to prop up the lies of Turks is not good scholarship on your part.

[eleni121]

Wow are you naive. Did you ever stop to think that "Stormfront" is just that? A front set up with Turkish money to undermine this good effort?

Think before you post. Don't jump to conclusion...you sound as bad as the nimrods over at DU.

[Aquinasfan]

Kind of like a statue of Stalin set up in Ukraine.

The father of modern genocide, as every American schoolboy doesn't know.

[uglybiker]

First you say: Did you ever stop to think that "Stormfront" is just that? A front set up with Turkish money to undermine this good effort?

Then you say: Don't jump to conclusion...

Too funny!

The Stormfront site has been around for several years. Somehow I doubt it was created by Turkish conspiracists back in the 90's for the sole purpose of discrediting opposition to a statue. But judging from the shrillness of your posts, I can see how you might buy in to such tinfoilhattery.

I'll give you some more mindless paranoia to chew on.

Attaturk was a Freemason.< cue ominous music >

[JNL]

O.K. Stormfront is a front set up to spread pro turkish propaganda. I'll have to adjust my tin foil hat a bit to even argue with that.


I understand that you feel very strongly about the situation in Turkey circa 1900 and I respect that. However I disagree with you.

[PAR35]

Wow are you naive. Did you ever stop to think that "Stormfront" is just that? A front set up with Turkish money to undermine this good effort?

So now you are denouncing as a Turkish front the folks that share your views? I guess you've just outed yourself as a Turkish agent as well. Now run on over to the neo-Nazi site where your views will be more mainstream.

[PAR35]

Attaturk was a Freemason.

I didn't know that. It's not really a surprise.

[eleni121]

David Duke is a big Muslim sympathizer even going so far as to visit Syria - a big Turkish ally - to rail against Jews with great fanfare from the Syrian govt.

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=dispatch&s=cagaptay090904

Do I have to explain everything to you?

[eleni121]

Let me make this sinmple: David Duke - aka stormfront - is a big Muslim sympathizer even going so far as to visit Syria - a big Turkish ally - to rail against Jews with great fanfare from the Syrian govt.

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=dispatch&s=cagaptay090904

Do I have to explain everything to you?

[eleni121]

Masons? Forrest (KKK) and Salvador Allenda (the Commie) were Masons.

So what's your point? There isn't any.

Both were ugly inhuman human beings who commited horrible acts...ataturk being the worse of the two.

[eleni121]

See posts 91 and 92...and don't be so gullible.

[JNL]

Do we get to Kevin Bacon anytime soon? I'm trying to take you seriously but am finding it very hard.

I feel for the Armenian people but question your deeply held hatred for the Turks. Did a government ordered genocide occur (debatable and most likely not true), did alot of people die, yes

However if we look at what Ataturk accomplished then much of what you say flies out of the window. Equal rights, removal of the dress codes for women, industrialization. He doesn't fit the genocidal type.

[eleni121]

It's not about "feeling" anything...it's about justice and compensation for what millions of Christians have suffered at the hands of Muslim Turks over the years. To add insult to injury the parastate of Turkey perpetuates the lies and imprisons those who dare speak the truth.
They teach their kids an altered view of history just like other nations who want to hide their sordid past. In the case of Islma however whatever is done to the "kafirs" - dhimmis is justified because they not muslim.

Equal rights for women? It's apparent you don't do much reading.

Turkey's inhuman rights record is second to none...just above Saudi arabia and North Korea maybe. In a word: BLEAK!

http://hrw.org/doc/?t=europe&c=turkey

What you may see in the media - the tourist attractions - is nothing to what reality actually is in the hinterlands and towns of Asia Minor...I have been there and seen it.

I am "biased" as a Christian so don't believe me - Go talk to some Kurds while you are at it...and see how much they appreciate the "liberty" they have in Turkey.

By the way - even with Billions of dollars given to the Turks over the years, it remains a third world country...industrailization that didn't happen. You need to stop believing the lies that a little bird has been telling you.

[uglybiker]

David Duke is a big Muslim sympathizer even going so far as to visit Syria - a big Turkish ally -

And that has to do with....what? Turkey is also allied with Israel.

Do I have to explain everything to you?

I'm afraid attempting to explain whatever is going on inside your head would be a fruitless excerecise.

[uglybiker]

Just wondering if you might have something to add to this (rather odd) converstation.

[JNL]

You give me that left wing site as an example. Lets have a quick check of what they say about the US:

http://hrw.org/doc/?t=usa&c=usint

Oh and I've got to go to their film festival where they will surely lecture me on:

State of Fear New York Premiere
Pamela Yates, Paco de Onís and Peter Kinoy - USA/Perú - 2005 - 94m - video - doc

In English and Spanish with English subtitiles

How can an open society balance demands for security with democracy? State of Fear dramatizes the human and societal costs a democracy faces when it embarks on a “war” against terror, a “war” potentially without end, all too easily exploited by unscrupulous leaders seeking personal political gain.


And lets not forget the popcorn @

Occupation: Dreamland New York Premiere
Garrett Scott and Ian Olds - USA - 2005 - 78m - video - doc

In English and Arabic with English subtitles

Occupation: Dreamland offers a rare and intimate window into the daily life of one group of US soldiers stationed in Iraq to “keep peace” less than one year after President Bush announced mission accomplished. The film follows one squad in the US Army’s 82nd Airborne deployed in the doomed Iraqi city of Falluja during the winter of 2004. Featuring a series of remarkably candid interviews with the squad’s soldiers who detail their sometimes shocking daily life and the creep of disillusionment with their mission,

[JohnnyZ]

By the way, denying Dr Balakian's historical perspective

I'll not deny the curly-haired English prof has a perspective -- it's just a heavily biased and unscholarly one, long on personal feeling and short on fact.