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Barack Obama: Dem Presidents Misled on War
newsmax.com ^ | Saturday, Dec. 10, 2005 5:58 p.m. EST

Posted on 12/10/2005 3:53:04 PM PST by InvisibleChurch

Democrat presidents misled and troops wound up dead?

That's what Sen. Barack Obama seemed to be saying in a wide ranging interview with the Chicago Tribune this week.

Commenting on claims that President Bush used on bogus intelligence to take America into the Iraq war - he noted that more than one Democratic president has done the same thing.

The revelation came as Sen. Obama recounted a recent town meeting where an audience member had asked him about the war, saying: "Shouldn't the president be impeached for lying?"

The top black Democrat recalled answering: "Well, FDR, JFK, LBJ -- we have a pretty long list of presidents who maybe were not entirely forthcoming with intelligence information before they went to war, so I'd be cautious against making legal cases against the administration."

Sen. Obama was apparently referring to longstanding allegations that FDR ignored intelligence that showed the Japanese planned to attack Pearl Harbor - knowing that such an attack would mobilize public opinion for a war against Nazi Germany.

In JFK and LBJ's case, he was apparently alluding to intelligence that was manipulated before the Vietnam War - such as Lyndon Johnson's claim that the North Vietnamese attacked US ships in the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

Historians now say no such attack ever took place.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 109th; bisexual; fdr; jfk; lbj; lefty; muslimsleeper; obama; presidents; prewarintelligence
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1 posted on 12/10/2005 3:53:04 PM PST by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch
"Well, FDR"

Obama makes an early play for the Jew-hater vote in '08.

So, are the media still trumpeting this idiot's greatness, as they were before he'd done anything but make a speech at the Dem convention?

2 posted on 12/10/2005 3:55:23 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (We need HRC for President like Michael Moore needs a Burger King franchise)
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To: InvisibleChurch

He is just another kool aid drinker, but the difference is he is serving the drinks now.


3 posted on 12/10/2005 3:55:53 PM PST by Meadow Muffin
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To: InvisibleChurch

Ineteresting he left out Bill. What he really is pointing out is that Presidents aren't God. They have information and they have to make what they feel is the best decision based on the information at hand, some is good, some isn't. It is easy to armchair quarterback the decisions, but when the paper is in front of you, you can only decide what is best for the country (or your reputation if your nickname is Bubba).


4 posted on 12/10/2005 3:56:59 PM PST by mnehring (Peace Activism is an Oxymoron.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

I am gonna have to agree somewhat with Obama. I wonder if the person asking the question said the same thing about Clinton 7 years ago.

Anyway, Obama is dangerous for the conservative movement.


5 posted on 12/10/2005 3:57:18 PM PST by landofliberty1776
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To: InvisibleChurch

ClintobamaRama!


6 posted on 12/10/2005 3:57:45 PM PST by msnimje (http://weblogawards.org/2005/12/best_blog.php .. VOTE FOR MALKIN (everyday) -- DON'T LET KOS WIN!!)
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To: msnimje

Osama Obama...hic!


7 posted on 12/10/2005 3:59:56 PM PST by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: InvisibleChurch

Barack Obama sitting in Mrs. Bush's lap during a recent Christmas Event for children in Washington, D.C. (And Jack Murtha sitting beisde President Bush)


8 posted on 12/10/2005 4:01:02 PM PST by msnimje (http://weblogawards.org/2005/12/best_blog.php .. VOTE FOR MALKIN (everyday) -- DON'T LET KOS WIN!!)
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To: Darkwolf377

This guy is a media creation...and he knows it...but, he could get in trouble with Soros and Reid and others if he doesn't just repeat the talking points...


9 posted on 12/10/2005 4:01:45 PM PST by Txsleuth
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To: mnehrling

I don't know that "interesting" is the only word I would use to describe the blatant non-inclusion of Bubba...

I am SURE he doesn't want to anger Hillary..angering Soros is one thing...but the Hillary the Hit Machine??

That isn't smart at all!


10 posted on 12/10/2005 4:03:45 PM PST by Txsleuth
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To: msnimje

Please don't insult those kids. They are well behaved and obviously were raised well.


11 posted on 12/10/2005 4:05:25 PM PST by mnehring (Peace Activism is an Oxymoron.)
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To: landofliberty1776

Huh? Obama is a simpleton and a scumbag.
That blinding Colgate smile will grow old with people quickly. Have faith.


12 posted on 12/10/2005 4:06:26 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Txsleuth

Yo massa Dean! Anotha homie offen da plantation!

To all Democrat liberal kooks! Alert!!
- This guy might not tow the MSM Socialist "agenda!"

Oh where is the black vote going to go?


13 posted on 12/10/2005 4:07:24 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Txsleuth
I am SURE he doesn't want to anger Hillary..angering Soros is one thing...but the Hillary the Hit Machine??

Obama and Hillary don't view each other as allies, they see each other as rivals.

Different wings of the same party and with different agendas.

Obama seems kind of overwhelmed though as a senator.

14 posted on 12/10/2005 4:07:47 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: InvisibleChurch

15 posted on 12/10/2005 4:07:53 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Txsleuth
This guy is a media creation...and he knows it...but, he could get in trouble with Soros and Reid and others if he doesn't just repeat the talking points..

Reading some of the articles about him, its clear he is in over his head.

His agenda is also going to put him at odds with some in his own party.

His staff is amateur night folks.

16 posted on 12/10/2005 4:09:42 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: InvisibleChurch
Interesting thing about FDR: I am still appalled by his collusion with Stalin at Yalta that doomed Eastern Europe to the horrors of Communism for fifty years and the presence of Soviet agents in the highest echelons of his administration. But his overall administration of WW2 was amazing, and I am especially amazed at his chain smoking, drinking, and adulterous life that resulted in failure of the pump used when the undertaker tried to saturate his veins with formaldehyde after he had died at Warm Springs (the undertaker had to send for a bigger pump). What a guy!
17 posted on 12/10/2005 4:09:58 PM PST by TheGeezer
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To: Sonny M

I am sure that Obama is being pulled in quite a few directions...

I would bet that the Congressional Black Caucas has told him that THEY tell him how to vote..and if he doesn't...watch out.

THEN, you have the other Senators...and they tell him something sorta different...and I am sure that the Hillary factor is something else all together..

I have noticed that he seems WAY to eager to get on TV and on the Senate floor, and make statments about almost every subject....I would think that as a newbie in the Senate...

Being seen but not heard...MIGHT be a better strategy for at least the FIRST year...


18 posted on 12/10/2005 4:12:26 PM PST by Txsleuth
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To: InvisibleChurch

But I thought JFK was working to get us out of Viet Nam before he was assassinated by LBJ, the FBI, CIA, Mafia, Fidel Castro, the New Orleans gay underground, the Knights of Columbus, the Sons of Liberty, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Madame Nhu, and the Campfire Girls.

At least that's what that Oliver Stone movie sez...

19 posted on 12/10/2005 4:13:12 PM PST by Fintan (Suppose there were no hypothectical questions?)
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To: Meadow Muffin

Obama? Possible Anti-Christ alert.


20 posted on 12/10/2005 4:15:44 PM PST by pankot
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