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South Central's hope: clemency for Williams [Tookie]
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 12/9/5 | Peter Fimrite

Posted on 12/09/2005 10:48:27 PM PST by SmithL

For residents of gang-ravaged area, debate on founder of Crips centers on transformation.

Los Angeles -- In the heart of South Central Los Angeles, a place so immersed in the gang lifestyle that even the schools are affiliated with either the Crips or the Bloods, Shiloh Badili paints.

The 52-year-old muralist, like many others in this impoverished flatland, knows what it is like to mourn a relative killed by what he calls "the meanness."

He also knows, as everybody here knows, that Stanley Tookie Williams, the man scheduled to be executed Tuesday morning at San Quentin State Prison, played a pivotal role in plunging the neighborhood down that dark path when he started the Crips gang 35 years ago.

Badili, nevertheless, believes that Williams' life should be spared. He believes it, he said, for the same reason he scrapes together his pennies to purchase paint and bathe vacant storefronts and buildings with colorful images.

"Just like that mural is re-awakening the neighborhood, turning something bad into something good, Tookie is using his incarceration time that usually makes people miserable to make life better for others," Badili said. "Commuting his sentence could be the good thing that allows good to blossom here in South Central."

Badili speaks, generally, for many people in South Central Los Angeles, where the plight of Williams is on everybody's mind. An informal street-corner survey by The Chronicle found people sympathetic to the families of Williams' victims but no one favoring his execution.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: deathpenalty; southcentralla; stanleywilliams; tookie; tookiewilliams
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To: rlmorel

Unfortunately he will just overdose on a drug binge.


21 posted on 12/09/2005 11:29:04 PM PST by daviscupper
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To: SmithL
Memo
To: California taxpayers
From: Tookie supporters
Ref: upcoming expense

Due to the impending execution of Tookie Williams all Cal Taxpayers are advised to be prepared for a tax increase in order to rebuild the burnt out shell of South Central LA
22 posted on 12/09/2005 11:34:08 PM PST by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: Flux Capacitor

Why can't they start making executions public events? Televise them & make sure that the general public is aware that if YOU are found guilty of committing murder in a court of law by a jury of your peers, this will be your fate as well.

I would add to that list sexual abuse of children & violent rape as well.


23 posted on 12/09/2005 11:44:15 PM PST by libertyman (It's HIGH time to make marijuana legal AGAIN!)
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To: Lurker
...seems to show much concern for the 4 people that this piece of garbage murdered.

Or the many others murdered by his gang progeny.

24 posted on 12/09/2005 11:45:49 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: norton

What, riots for this piece of sub-human refuse?


25 posted on 12/09/2005 11:50:18 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: BunnySlippers

----Any good Tookie memorabilia on eBay?----

I'll bet we start seeing pieces of Tookie himself on Ebay after Dec. 13.

-Dan

26 posted on 12/09/2005 11:56:51 PM PST by Flux Capacitor (Trust me. I know what I'm doing.)
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To: SteveMcKing

They start by portraying some spraypaint-tagging vandal as an artiste, then they proceed to portray a multiple murderer as a kind-hearted victim of society. Lies upon lies upon lies.


27 posted on 12/10/2005 12:03:03 AM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: SmithL

I really don't think anyone except for those looking to make money or political points with Tookie in South Central give a dang if he is hung by his thing and set on fire.
I remember during the King riot reporters were interviewing rioters who said "Rodney who" while looting for profit.
It's nothing more than a scam.

Snoop gets involved in this, and now it is revealed he has his first album in years coming out on the day of Tookie's scheduled execution. Follow the money.


28 posted on 12/10/2005 12:05:30 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

"An informal street-corner survey by The Chronicle.... "

"A "fake but we want it to be true ala cbs" street-corner survey by The Chronicle.... "

There.

Fixed.

MSM=whores


29 posted on 12/10/2005 12:12:12 AM PST by jaguaretype (Sometimes war IS the answer)
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To: SmithL
I saw some idiot from the Blood gang on TV tonight all dressed up in his red bandana and red shirt promising he would try to get more guns off the street if Tookie's life was spared.

I just wanted to smack him! Why doesn't he do that any way and maybe save a childs life? Freaks.

30 posted on 12/10/2005 12:14:35 AM PST by RichRepublican (Some days you're the windshield--some days you're the bug.)
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To: daviscupper
Wanna know what would be funny as hell? The Governator pardons Tookie. I don't just mean he commutes his sentence; I mean full pardon. Released of his own recognizance. Restored to all rights of full citizenship. Free man.

Imagine Tookie walking out of San Quentin after getting processed. Bag in hand, breathing his first breath of free air in over two decades. He looks out at Marin County, looks south towards San Francisco.

Who knows what is going through his mind at this point; is he looking at the world as a confident father looks at a troubled child, disappointed but hopeful? Is he ready to carry on the work that he began so many years ago? Can he dismantle the beast that he helped create?

Or is he looking at the world like a rapist looks at a passed-out girl; ripe for the taking, with no idea of what's coming to it?

In a split second, it becomes irrelevant as a car full of Bloods pours a few pounds of red-hot lead into Tookie. Still a big guy, it takes quite a few hits to put him down. But fall he does: just another dead Crip.

31 posted on 12/10/2005 12:19:06 AM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: RichRepublican
What in the holy living hell? Why is a freaking Blood, of all people, trying to keep a Crip from dying? Not just any Crip, mind you, but one of the founding members? The Crips and Bloods hate each other so much that I would almost expect the Bloods to start voting Republican over this mess.
32 posted on 12/10/2005 12:25:10 AM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Gordongekko909

Go figure--except that maybe they share one brain among them.


33 posted on 12/10/2005 12:28:08 AM PST by RichRepublican (Some days you're the windshield--some days you're the bug.)
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To: RichRepublican

I'll tell you one thing, though: that Blood had better pray that none of his boys see him on TV saying that. If they do, he'll be lucky if he gets off with a severe beating. If he's unlucky, well, his fifteen minutes of fame will end on the obituary page.


34 posted on 12/10/2005 12:34:21 AM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Gordongekko909

You'd think that would be the case, except that there were two or three other jokers dressed in red also standing behind him. It is weird.


35 posted on 12/10/2005 12:38:41 AM PST by RichRepublican (Some days you're the windshield--some days you're the bug.)
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To: RichRepublican

Then the world is going to be less crowded in a few days. Either that or they're dominated and are trying to kiss up to whatever Crip set has them by the cojones.


36 posted on 12/10/2005 12:51:31 AM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: SmithL

It's articles like this that makes me wonder what planet I'm living on. I saw the pictures of Tookie's victims. Did they deserve to die that way?

If Tookie is truly a changed man, then God will know it. He murdered people, not only breaking man's law, but God's. I have reservations about the death penalty, because people get railroaded, however I believe that Tookie killed those people. He needs to be put to death.


37 posted on 12/10/2005 1:16:11 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("The Less You Have...The More They'll Take"- bf)
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To: Gordongekko909

On the one hand, I feel for Tookie: his is a personal human tragedy, and perhaps he has tried to make amends while on Death Row. And now he will meet his maker.

On the other hand, I see punks wearing "colors" here in New Zealand, pretending to be Crips and Bloods, and yes murdering and maiming folk. This is a new thing for us in NZ: the American Gangsta is an export that has been inflicted on us over the past ten-or-so years.

We do not want or need American Gangsta crims in New Zealand. We are tired of cleaning up the senseless grafitti, weary of the increase in burglaries, robberies and rapes, and sick of arresting and convicting P-Methamphetamine powered scroats.

We do not appreciate Hip-Hop, or Rap. It teaches our kids to be delinquents.

Tookie helped invent this misery, for all of us. He should ask nicely for clemancy and mercy, and perhaps Society in its goodness would oblige. But he does not deserve it. He deserves to hang.


38 posted on 12/10/2005 1:30:06 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: Gordongekko909

It's simple, really. The only reason any black person, even a Blood, wants Tookie to avoid the death penalty is because he is not being murdered on the streets. They'd rather have him killed on the streets. It's what they understand: unlawful killing. If he was shot in the streets it would be just as unnoticed as any other gang member's death. But the fact that he will be killed lawfully is what has Tookie's defenders up in arms. If he were killed on the streets the story would read, "a black man falls victim to street violence as a result of poverty and racism." And some Black people really believe that. " But because he is being killed as a result of being found guilty in an established court of law the story must read, "racist Governor to execute innocent Black man." Truthfully, I pity the man more than I do his victims. Why? Because their lives were cut short and the Lord has taken account of that. But in Tookie's case he has exterminated 4 of the Lord's children, and he will pay dearly. The death penalty is likely the beginning of his torture. As has been said in the past, "Vengeance is mine."


39 posted on 12/10/2005 1:45:55 AM PST by Ceewrighter (O'er the land of the free and the Home of the brave!)
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To: SmithL

South Central: Human genome upgrade needed.


40 posted on 12/10/2005 4:23:28 AM PST by hershey
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