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What really happened to AA Flight 612
WorldNetDaily ^ | 09 December 2005 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 12/09/2005 5:08:08 PM PST by concretebob

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To: backhoe
FYI, FWIW: Missile/Rocket Reports

That link was interesting until I got to the WXXA-TV digital video story of a "strange, missile-like, unidentified aerial object" passing near an airliner. What a joke, that's a friggin' bug flying near the camera!

161 posted on 12/10/2005 6:57:44 AM PST by mikegi
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To: mikegi
That's why I noted this: FYI, FWIW...
162 posted on 12/10/2005 7:10:41 AM PST by backhoe (The Silence of the Tom's ( Tired Old Media... ))
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To: somemoreequalthanothers
My theory is that news of attacks are being suppressed to interrupt the goal of the terrorists - which is to amplify the effect of an otherwise puny attack through our mass media, and mass hysteria. It seems to be a reasonable policy to me, even though I'd like to know the facts, if those facts caused the masses to misapprehend the actual risks of air travel, going to the mall, working in an office building, participating in the stock market, etc., I'll do without.

I think that it is good policy to interrupt the terrorists' intent.

163 posted on 12/10/2005 7:11:06 AM PST by GregoryFul
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To: GregoryFul

I would agree, but I think the American people's right to know the truth of events may be more important.


164 posted on 12/10/2005 7:15:06 AM PST by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: sam_paine
You saw the same thing that I was suspicious of. The General Aviation craft loitered in the area for a long time. That may not be unusual though, someone familiar with viewing this air traffic would be a better source for opinion on what we may be seeing, including the split flight 612 apparition.
165 posted on 12/10/2005 7:17:39 AM PST by GregoryFul
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To: Cicero

Why the down play...could be NOT to give terrorist any publicity at all?


166 posted on 12/10/2005 7:26:44 AM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: TNCMAXQ
Why would the news media be interested in covering this up though? You would think any security failure within the US would be seen as a major failure of the Bush admin., and thereby be something the media would want to shout about.

Do you think the news medias' advertising departments would like a story that would hurt the profits of some of their biggest customers, the airlines? If people were afraid to fly, the economic ripples would put the economy into another recession

167 posted on 12/10/2005 7:35:33 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: Shermy

TWA 800 story also had two combat experienced pilots witness the missile attack.


168 posted on 12/10/2005 7:38:22 AM PST by GregoryFul
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To: Pukin Dog

Hey thanks for your service!


169 posted on 12/10/2005 8:08:55 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: shield

Well, of course, one of the knee jerk reactions of any governmental bureaucracy is to cover things up because ordinary people can't be trusted not to panic. But then they should at least stop and think, would it be better to release or conceal this information to achieve the political purposes of our administration?

When clinton was in office, he had the additional reason that it would have been a real bother to have to deal with fantical Arabs. He had other things he was more interested in, like intervening in Haiti and Bosnia to support politically correct groups, and the last thing he wanted to do was get into a war with Islam--especially since he decided that he wanted to fight on the other side, to please his European Socialist friends.

But now the situation is different. Bush does have an interest in fighting the Muslim threat, or at least he did earlier. The press is mostly bent on denying that there is any real threat to our country, except for Arab resentment and European anger that Bush is stirring up by staying in Iraq.

How can you fight a war against Muslim enemies if you hide the fact that it is going on?


170 posted on 12/10/2005 9:03:09 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: GregoryFul

Yes, so I recalled. And a ton of other evidence as well, including the stuff the FBI was so anxious to prevent anyone from testing all over the seat covers. The most probable theories were a) that the plane was accidentally shot down in a Navy exercise going on in the area; and b) that it was shot down from a small boat by terrorists.

Frankly, I doubt a). It would seem to provide a more logical reason for covering it up, but I doubt that that many sailors could keep the secret this long. So, the only logical explanation is b).

What several observers said is that if it had been a fuel tank explosion, it would have been orange-red. But it was brilliant white, the color of an ordnance type explosion.

It's noticeable that Boeing was never sued, and nothing much was ever done to fix the combustibility of airplane fuel, which in fact was exceedingly unlikely to explode in the first place. Indeed, Boeing ceased protesting, probably under threat of losing contracts, but they never really admitted any fault.

No, the odds are about 95-5 that it was a terrorist missile (some witnesses say two missiles) that brought it down. There is also some talk that it may have been a Chinese made missile, since evidently China has given these SAMs extended range, but I won't get into that.


171 posted on 12/10/2005 9:14:11 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: BobS

I should say that electronics is not my field, which is probably why the army promptly sent me to electronics school and then to the Hawk Missile training program in Huntsville, Alabama.

The army has a habit of putting people in fields other than the ones they might be qualified in. When I showed up for basic training in Fort Dix, it turned out that the Company Clerk couldn't read. Presumably they made him a clerk for that very reason. When it was KP time, he would hold up his list on a clipboard next to our chests, and compare the look of the names on the printed sheet with the names on our nametapes. Worked fine, but a little slow.

That was quite a while ago. Semiconductors and printed circuit boards had been invented, but Hawk missiles and radars still used miniature vaccuum tubes and copper wires, I think because they thought they would stand up better to stress and possible EMP bursts. I remember they were worried about the possibility of hairline cracks in the circuit boards. So we used wires, clips, and solder.


172 posted on 12/10/2005 9:28:45 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: somemoreequalthanothers
Consider the following: you are sitting by a nut job in a crowded theater. He starts yelling fire, you look around and see no fire. Do you muzzle him, or let a stampede happen?
173 posted on 12/10/2005 9:44:44 AM PST by GregoryFul
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To: Rokke
Transponders are transmitters.

Where I come from, transponders pick up incoming radar and answer it with a return transmission. They don't just transmit all the time. That's what I was suggesting. The return transmission is much brighter than a return echo because it doesn't have to make the round trip. Of course it can also be on a different frequency, and normally contains an ID code of one kind or another. Either IFF or in this case the flight number.

174 posted on 12/10/2005 10:06:03 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: GregoryFul

On the other hand, if someone shouts "Fire" in a crowded theater, you should look around, and if you see some smoke, the proper thing to do would be to calm the shouting fellow down to prevent a panic, while you organize an orderly evacuation of the theater.

There is smoke in most of the cases we're talking about here. So somebody ought to at least take the trouble of investigating. And if there is a fire, they should tell people about it in an orderly fashion.


175 posted on 12/10/2005 10:08:50 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: concretebob

I heard Jack Cashell discuss this on Barabaras Simpson's show on KSFO last weekend. He stated he was initially directed to this incident by inquiries from some Freepers.


176 posted on 12/10/2005 10:12:20 AM PST by tertiary01
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This whole thread has degenerated into a urinary dispersal match and that's a shame. The fact is, there is a real discussion to be had about the real possibility of a terrorist missile attack on commercial airliners. It may or may not be the case here but let's at least keep an open mind on BOTH sides of the debate.


177 posted on 12/10/2005 10:14:17 AM PST by OldArmy94
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To: Cicero

And if on inspection it is a smoldering cigar butt, you put it out and let the show go on.


178 posted on 12/10/2005 10:18:10 AM PST by GregoryFul
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To: tertiary01
Thats very interesting..I would like to hear or read the transcripts of that show.
You have a link by any chance?
179 posted on 12/10/2005 10:52:30 AM PST by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. Then we can kill them and not worry about jailtime.)
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To: concretebob


http://www.ksforadio.com/viewentry.asp?ID=340974&PT=Program%20Summaries


180 posted on 12/10/2005 10:58:08 AM PST by tertiary01
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