Disown your dad's denial of the Holocaust, Gibson told (Mel Gibson's dad not keen on Jews)

The Austrailian ^ | 12-08-05 | David Nason

[emiller]

A WORLD authority on Hitler's Final Solution has called on Australian actor-director Mel Gibson to publicly repudiate the Holocaust denial of his father Hutton Gibson and to clarify his own position on the extermination of the Jews.

Rafael Medoff of the US-based David S. Wyman Institute of Holocaust Studies issued the ultimatum after the Walt Disney-owned ABC television said a Gibson company would produce a four-part Holocaust mini-series for the US network next year.

Tentatively titled Flory, the telemovie

[wideawake]

Clearly not. But could there have been skirmishes on the site of public parks?

I'm not up on prewar Warsaw geography.

[EveningStar]

LOL. I find that difficult to believe that Gibson would actually pitch that.

[Alouette]

There were no parks in the Warsaw ghetto.

It was a freaking GHETTO!

Maybe small but fierce pitched one-on-ones in the basketball courts.

[SJackson]

No parks.

The city of Warsaw is the capital of Poland. Before World War II, Warsaw was the center of Jewish life and culture in Poland. Warsaw's prewar Jewish population of more than 350,000 constituted about 30 percent of the city's total population. The Warsaw Jewish community was the largest in both Poland and Europe, and was the second largest in the world, behind that of New York City. The Germans occupied Warsaw on September 29, 1939. In October 1940, the Germans ordered the establishment of a ghetto in Warsaw. All Jewish residents were ordered into the designated area, which was sealed off from the rest of the city in November 1940. The ghetto was enclosed by a wall that was over 10 feet high, topped with barbed wire, and closely guarded to prevent movement between the ghetto and the rest of Warsaw.
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[ozzymandus]

Feel free to blame Mel's crazy old man, but don't blame Mel for what his Dad says, OK?

[ozzymandus]

Hollywood strikes again. Wonder who wins?

[Zionist Conspirator]

No doubt about it, Hutton Gibson is a whackjob.

Perhaps Mr. Medoff would care to tackle the many prestigious universities who deny other episodes of Jewish History, such as the six day creation, Noah's Flood, and the parting of the Red Sea.

[Little Bill]

I forgave my dad for being a RINO.

[wideawake]

There were no parks in the Warsaw ghetto. It was a freaking GHETTO!

Ghettoes didn't always have the connotation of crowded, slum neighborhoods.

One of the nicest residential area in old Venice was the ghetto. It didn't start out that way, but the residents prospered despite the hardship and built an enviable community.

The Nazis forced many Jews into a very small space in the Warsaw ghetto (something like 60,000 people into an area where 3,000 lived before I think), but Warsaw was a nice city with broad boulevards and public parks before the Nazis destroyed it and the Soviets poured concrete over it.

As I search the net I find that a map of the Warsaw ghetto from The Holocaust Museum shows that an engagement was fought between the Nazis and the Jewish freedom fighters right by Saski Park at the edge of the Ghetto.

I don't know if Gibson's miniseries deals with this at all, but it seems conceivable that Jewish freedom fighters might have fought Nazi units in a park.

[SteveMcKing]

I have never heard anything so pretentious in my life. Tell them all to screw, Mel!

[wideawake]

Correction to my last post - originally the Nazis were going to force 300,000 Jews to live in an area previously inhabited by 3,000-5,000 people. However, they wound up deporting most of them to the murder camps before they even spent a couple of days in the ghetto.

At the time of the Uprising about 57,000 Jews were left alive in the whole city of Warsaw - at that point maybe 300,000 Jews from the city of Warsaw and its suburbs alone had already been murdered.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

It will be interesting to see this mini-series. Word has it it's about Christians who protected Jews in WWII.

While this is an admirable story in itself, I'm reminded of Stanley Kubrick's denouncement of Spielberg's "Schindler's List" --

"Six million Jews slaughtered and he makes a movie about the 600 who survived."

[SJackson]

One of the nicest residential area in old Venice was the ghetto. It didn't start out that way, but the residents prospered despite the hardship and built an enviable community.

You're confusing things. The Venice ghetto, from which the term ghetto originates, was established in the 16th century, not by Hitler. To my knowledge the are no recognized "ghettos" that were established in Italy in WWII. It was essentially an eastern European strategy, after all that's where the Jews were.

The Nazis forced many Jews into a very small space in the Warsaw ghetto (something like 60,000 people into an area where 3,000 lived before I think),

I don't know about the 3,000 figure, most estimates for the peak population of the Warsaw ghetto range upwards of 400,000 in a bit more that a square mile.

[wideawake]

Actually, look at number 8 on the map - it is two blocks from Saski Park and it was an engagement where the Jewish freedom fighters attempted to punch a hole in the Nazi cordon of the Ghetto.

[Sabramerican]

Like Schindler's List and even the Pianist, another "feel good" Holocaust movie.

How about a movie about those millions of Jews were not helped by anyone.

Just hunted for slaughter. Some surviving. Most not.

[bassmaner]

A WORLD authority on Hitler's Final Solution has called on Australian actor-director Mel Gibson to publicly repudiate the Holocaust denial of his father Hutton Gibson and to clarify his own position on the extermination of the Jews.

I'll betcha this 'world authority' hasn't said boo about the recent comments from creep that runs Iran, ie. threatening to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

[Blue State Insurgent]

IIRC, in that battle the Jews had a total of 16 guns.

[Sabramerican]

them

do they think they are

their attack

Gee? Who's "they"?

I see quoted attributed to a single Rafael Medoff.

[OldFriend]

We also have Steven Spielberg making a movie about the Munich Massacre. Equating the murdering palestinian terrorists with their jewish victims.

Craziness abounds.

[wideawake]

You're confusing things.

The Venice ghetto (from the Venetian dialect word referring to an iron foundry) was the first of its kind. It was an undesirable industrial area in the beginning.

Similar ones sprung up around Italy 500 years ago.

A modern American ghetto is typically a nasty slum neighborhood filled with dilapidated housing or ugly housing projects.

The Warsaw ghetto was a middle class residential Jewish neighborhood before the war, which the Nazis walled off to turn into a holding cell and slaughterhouse for their Jewish victims.

The Nazis didn't build anything there except for a wall around it - before the wall it was a normal neighborhood, apparently right between Saski Park and the Jewish cemetery.

So it is not an automatic given that there were no parks in the Warsaw ghetto just because the Nazis walled it off.

I don't know about the 3,000 figure, most estimates for the peak population of the Warsaw ghetto range upwards of 400,000 in a bit more that a square mile.

Yeah, I corrected that.

The 3,000 figure is the number of people who apparently lived in the neighborhood before the Holocaust, not the number of people who were there when it was a ghetto.

Another source says that as many as 10% of the Holocaust's victims (upward of 600,000 people!) passed through the Ghetto at some point before they were murdered.