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Coming to a highway near you......
1 posted on 12/08/2005 11:00:42 AM PST by Ben Mugged
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To: Ben Mugged

Nope its not about the money, its about safety right?

Which of course is why they use them secret stakeouts instead of posting where they are in use.


2 posted on 12/08/2005 11:02:10 AM PST by Steelerfan
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To: Ben Mugged

The take in fines in that 19-day period: nearly half a million dollars.

That averages about $192 per fine.


3 posted on 12/08/2005 11:02:31 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: Ben Mugged

Computer controlled cameras will be easier to beat than bs'ing a live cop.


4 posted on 12/08/2005 11:04:05 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Ben Mugged
The take in fines in that 19-day period: nearly half a million dollars.

The take??? sound like what they say in Vegas after counting the sucker money for the night.
7 posted on 12/08/2005 11:08:45 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: Ben Mugged
We've got those things here in Raleigh and Cary NC. As far as I'm concerned there nothing more than legalized stealing machines. Just one more way the so called honest government can legal steal from its citizens.

What makes it even worse .... the company that runs them does so with the local governments authority. That's right, it's not even run by the local government, they allow an independent company to setup and issue the situations. The ticket is $50 but it doesn't go against your record. Although the profit split isn't discussed, the rumor is the local governments get about 50% of the take and yes "Take" is the right word
8 posted on 12/08/2005 11:09:49 AM PST by Russ_in_NC
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To: Ben Mugged

Play by the rules today. Not everybody is looking out for you.


9 posted on 12/08/2005 11:10:07 AM PST by RightWhale (Not transferable -- Good only for this trip)
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To: Ben Mugged
Yet if you or I were to post a sign with a number at the ends of our streets, set up cameras in front of our driveways, and mail large bills to people whose driving style we don't approve, ordering them to pay or else, what would it be called??? What's that word I'm thinking of? Oh yeah,

EXTORTION

12 posted on 12/08/2005 11:11:50 AM PST by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: Ben Mugged

These people need to get together and all contest their tickets, which is their right. I'm sure the court system or the prosecutorial system is not capable of handling that many contested cases.


13 posted on 12/08/2005 11:13:29 AM PST by dinoparty (In the beginning was the Word)
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To: Ben Mugged

Went home a few months back and my wife said, "there's a letter for you". I pointed out that it was her van, but to no avail. So much for that $60, I think. It was in DC, they love this scam, but at least you don't get points this way.


14 posted on 12/08/2005 11:16:12 AM PST by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate our country. And they love speed cameras.)
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To: Ben Mugged

In the future you'll have a GPS device in your car that will have constant contact with a sattillite, that is programmed with every traffic law known to man in every location. So unless your able to drive like a machine, youll get tickets in the mail on a weekly basis.


18 posted on 12/08/2005 11:26:11 AM PST by Husker24
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To: Ben Mugged

There was a thread a few weeks ago telling of someone who is contesting their red-light camera ticket. They are demanding the details of the sortware/firmware code that is used in the device, so they could confirm its accuracy. The manufacturer was fighting disclosure, but I haven't heard anything further about that case.


22 posted on 12/08/2005 11:31:34 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Ben Mugged

"Coming to a highway near you......"

Yep. Anyone remember the movie "1984"? The camera in your living room isn't there to spy on you, it's for your protection!
Your social security number will never be used as a form of identification. Right.
Akron is in Summit county. The Summit county council just passed a smoking ban in public places to go into effect in Feburary 2006.
Part of freedom is the right to do what you wish, even if it's stupid, as long as it doesn't directly effect others. Helmet laws, seatbelt laws, homeowners associations.
We are meekly and mildly handing over our freedom without even a peep.


27 posted on 12/08/2005 11:39:45 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: Ben Mugged

Why do you think this is a bad idea? Are people angry because they weren't speeding but got a camera ticket? Or, more likely, they were speeding and got caught.

Everybody knows the rules. Break them and take the consequences. Or put another way, take responsibility for your actions.







31 posted on 12/08/2005 11:51:55 AM PST by newbolt
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To: Ben Mugged; Dog Gone; NerdDad; CedarDave; Yellow Rose of Texas

A couple of months ago, I got stopped by the Texas DPS in McCamey for doing 22 in a 20 school zone.

Note, stopped by the DPS, not the local cops.


33 posted on 12/08/2005 11:57:12 AM PST by razorback-bert
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To: JoeSixPack1

Often the local municipalities around here will trot out these portable, unattended "speed displays" which calculate your speed (presumbably through radar) and display the result to you as you approach. If you are above the speed limit the result will flash; if you are WAY above the limit the display will turn flashing red . . .

Every time I ride by one of these displays on the Bagger, it reads at least 10MPH less than my actual speed. Heh . . .


35 posted on 12/08/2005 12:03:26 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: Ben Mugged
I'll probably get flamed for this, but this is an excellent example of the few (lead-foot types and red light runners) ruining it for the rest of us (who follow the posted speed limits and don't run red lights).

In the city I live in, insurance rates are high because of this same group - red light runners and lead-foot types cause the bulk of accidents, raising my insurance rates. And I've not been involved in an accident since I was 17, that's 33 years ago.

Yes, the cameras suck, and they are being challenged in many areas. But as a country founded based on rule of law, I see a lot of rationalizing in this thread for justifying breaking the law. If you don't like the speed limit or the piss-poor timing of the lights, write a letter to your local government.

Perhaps instead of cameras, which are, IMHO unconstitutional, maybe they should make the cost of being caught running a red light or speeding a prohibitive amount. What is an alternate solution?
37 posted on 12/08/2005 12:08:03 PM PST by Adiemus
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To: Ben Mugged

ex-gov Jerklo out driving again?


38 posted on 12/08/2005 12:08:37 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Peace de Resistance! Viva la Paper towels!)
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Every person should read this. Especially persons that support traffic cameras or crow on that all laws must be abided.

Imagine all those people breaking the law. Has anarchy ensued?

On the premise that not abiding the driving laws is dangerous for other drivers then the police and DA are shirking their responsibility. For if those people that got tickets didn't have points added to their drivers licenses then some people that should have lost their license are still driving and pose a danger to others on the roads. 

As a ticketed driver may think, "Oh well, at least I'm not in danger of losing my license. So I'll just be careful at that intersection and if I get another ticket I'll pay the fine and go on about my business."

When people lose respect for the law, as the police and DA's have when they let dangerous criminals back out on the street or drivers that break the law when they should have points added to their drivers license, most people lean towards a lax attitude about certain laws.

The following identifications apply to State and City government too. Albeit on smaller scale yet result in destructive ends.

The federal government creates each year, on average, 3,000 new laws and regulations. Each one of those laws has people that support it and will argue why the new law is necessary. Proclaiming that without those new laws people and society will run headlong into destruction.

In reality virtually every person breaks one or more laws several times a year not including traffic laws. Yet with every person violating the law people and society have not moved toward self-destruction. Instead, individuals and society have increasingly prospered.

Over the past several years and decades people and society increasingly prospered despite not having the supposed benefits of future laws yet to come. Today, people and society increasingly prosper despite not having the supposed benefits of next year's new laws or, new laws to come five, ten or fifteen years in the future.

Ninety-eight percent of the people do not knowingly initiate force, threat of force or fraud against any person or their property. They do not violate any person's unalienable rights. Though, through widespread ignorance most people negligently support government initiation of force/harm against persons and their property. See War of Two Worlds below.

Setting aside for the moment that government officials in all three branches of government violate laws, if it were possible to apprehend all lawbreakers next week, society would run headlong into destruction. It would come to a screeching halt.

As it is, a very small fraction of lawbreakers are ever apprehended for the laws they violate. The few that are apprehended and punished cause a drain on their lives, families and society. Meanwhile everybody else that violates the same laws, while semi free, also pay the price of having their brothers and sisters sacrificed for the greater good of society.

Parasitical elites in government know they can't apprehend but a tiny percentage of people that break the law. They know that everybody breaks the law and that people and society increasingly prosper despite massive lawlessness. But it's only massive lawlessness in regards to violating political agenda laws -- collective, groupthink laws -- unjust laws.

That 98% of people do not initiate force/harm against anyone, thereby people en mass demonstrate the validity of just laws against murder, rape, assault, kidnapping, theft and other acts of initiation of force 

Who are winners? Who are the losers?

The beneficiaries are the politicians, bureaucrats and their automatons. They're parasites leeching off The People, the hosts. Value destroyers draining value producers.

In reality, the value producers are the winners. For they live by their own productive efforts whereas parasitical elites usurp unearned livelihoods off the efforts of value producers.

It really is a war, to the death, between two groups of people: 64

War of Two Worlds

Value Producers
vs.
Value Destroyers

57 posted on 12/08/2005 1:00:14 PM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Ben Mugged

I'd be LOT more tolerent of this if there was a ONE WAY (inbound only) alert system that warned drivers that they were intering a unexpected speed-restricted zone; I'm very careful near schools, but the only ticket I've received in theb last ten years was for "speeding" (32MPH) in school zone - the sign was posted about 5' east of a intersection at which I made a right turn from a northbound lane, I had perhaps 1-2 seconds when the sign as in view before I passed it, and didn't see it.

$175 ticket.


59 posted on 12/08/2005 3:13:44 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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