Posted on 12/07/2005 11:28:34 AM PST by YoshiBear
Hope this is not a duplicate. No more details yet Passengers getting off
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1384041
" ... he and his wife were on a missionary trip."
A little more info:
http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/news/nation/13354545.htm
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This is so sad.
He disclosed that as soon as this incident happened, other air marshalls went into surveillance mode at other airports around the country to see if there was any coordinated activity.
Good idea, but was it necessary for him to tell the world that's what they are doing?
Actually I think it's a great idea to tell the general public the other air marshalls immediately went into surveillance mode. It tells the terrorists we have good communication and when an incident occurs we immediately respond. I want the terrorists to know our guys are on the ball at all times and there's no lag time in Oregon when something out of the ordinary happens in Maine. (I picked states on both sides of the country.)
If you disagree I'd like to hear your thoughts since you might have a different perspective than I do and I might not be seeing things in the same light.
Reading this thread for the first time. So did you see a body being hauled off the plane or not?
Good use of words....!
I can see both sides of this 'argument'. I'm sure my adrenaline would be pumping overtime and I wouldn't give a second thought at the time about my luggage being blown up. BUT if I'm not related to the guy who got shot and for some reason they blow up my bag which contains clothing, shoes, makeup and/or other personal belongings I probably would get upset after the adrenaline wore off.
When I travel I usually pack quite a bit of my favorite clothing because I want to look good and be comfortable at the same time. I don't take my sloppy stuff, I take my good stuff and that can be hard to replace. Just as an example: I might pack several pairs of jeans and sweaters to go with them. I may have bought the jeans when the style in the stores were for the waistband to be at the waist. I'd have a difficult time trying to replace those today since the style in the stores are hiphuggers and at age 53 I don't want to be stuck with buying hiphuggers. The sweaters might have been cashmere or a style that looked good on me and felt good.
I can be difficult to fit and I'm not a shopaholic. More than likely I'd have to 'settle' on replacement clothing instead of having clothes I enjoyed wearing.
Now remember, I'm simply an innocent bystander whose luggage had already been cleared. I'm not guilty of anything except being on a plane where a guy was shot because he went off the deep end. Yeah, it may be petty on my part to be upset my bag and clothing were destroyed, especially when I consider the 'what-ifs' but the 'what-if's' didn't happen and now I'm paying the consequences for someone else's actions. Like I've stated, it seems petty and selfish but on the other hand I'm being penalized and I've done nothing to earn the penalty.
silentknight, why would you understand your stuff had to be blown up when you personally hadn't done anything? Seems to me anything new I bought in replacement would always carry the stigma and memory of the time when a person lost it and was killed as a result.
GovernmentShrinker, on the other hand it most probably was just clothing and having it destroyed isn't going to kill you.
(Ok, now both of you can flame me cos I've made myself a target. :^])
Amen to your post. I believe and hope that this incident will cause our political leaders to consider posting air marshalls on ALL flights.
I've stated several times that it was a good shoot and the marshals did only thing they could.
Are you just wanting to give a speech?
If you or yours had been on that plane would you have risked life on this thought? Would you have wanted the AM to? What would you have done?
Geesh...I've stated in many, many posts in this thread that the marshals made a good shoot. They did the only thing they could.
My point was that only someone that is mentally disturbed or wants to commit "suicide by cop" announces to a law enforcement officer that has the drop on him that he has a bomb.
A real terrorist in that situation is going to feign innocence and then find a way to detonate.
Can we stop all of the melodrama? The marshals did all they could but their hand was forced. Everyone gets that ok? No need to try inject "what if it were your family".
It's the glee that some are showing for a mentally disturbed man coming home from a mission trip getting "capped" in front of his wife that is disturbing.
I hadn't seen your other posts, only the one you sent me. I think few are happy that a sick man was killed . Sadly, this might have been prevented before he got on the plane. The only melodrama I see are the posts bashing up on the AM.
How long until people start making comparisons to the Menendez shooting on the London underground and blaming the Air Marshals for this and claiming coverup?
I do remember that. Was that the same person who died on the plane after being restrained by passengers?
There was another one where a guy had a Dominick's bag full of knives, too.
Naw, this nutso didn't die. They sedated him and took him off. I don't recall the story of the person who died after being restrained.
The guy with the knives...was he the one was was wearing a down parka in June, trying to get on the plane? Remember that one?
I had one living with me for a while. (No you didn't! < ]%^)
His soul-bro Richard, too.
I don't think you were following the discussion. My comments related to people who hadn't done anything and just happened to be on the same plane as this nut. Early reports about bags being blown up didn't have the info that only bags belonging to the nut and his wife were blown up. That I have no problem with.
Thanks. I didn't mean to attack you for posting the info. Just that given the extreme secrecy surrounding most aspects of the air marshal program, and the fact that you cited your air marshal friend as the source, it seemed quite possible that it shouldn't have been posted. Clearly that's not the case. I suppose they are making that info public to calm fears among the general public about the mythical sudden depressurization from a bullet through the hull. With specific info about the ammo, it's easier for public discussions to lay that myth to rest.
Ok, well that's one angle.
My preference would be to keep this under wraps for additional security benefits.
For example, if the terrorists are planning a 4-plane simultaneous strike, and one terrorist gets caught, then agents all over the country go on alert. Like I said, good idea.
If the terrorists don't know this, perhaps their plan is for the other 3 to continue if one gets caught. Better chance of catching them all (at alerted checkpoints, aircrews, etc.).
If the terrorists know that there's a mechanism to immediately put all airports on alert, then they might want to plan to back off if any one terrorist gets caught, and so they dissolve back into the public to plan their next gig.
Hey, either way, it's good to DO the nationwide alert. I just think the less the terrorists (public) know about what the security procedure is, the more difficult it is for them to plan attacks that account for everything.
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