Posted on 12/06/2005 8:59:16 AM PST by elfman2
Muslims make up 22% of the Worlds population, according to the United Nations' Arab Human Development Report: "Half of Arab women cannot read; One in five Arabs live on less than $2 per day; Only 1 percent of the Arab population has a personal computer, and only half of 1 percent use the Internet; Fifteen percent of the Arab workforce is unemployed; 60% of Muslims are illiterate. Only two Muslims have won the Nobel prize in a scientific field - Dr. Abdus Salam, in 1979 for Physics and Dr. Ahmed Zewail, in 1992 for Chemistry. Dr Salam a native of Pakistan , is not considered to be a Muslim in his home country as he follows the Ahmadiyyas sect of Islam.
Only 600 universities service a Muslim population of 1.2 billion in 57 countries. Half the universities concentrate on teaching Islamic education and science. India has 8,407 universities for 1 billion people and the United States has 5,758 for 280 million people. The combined annual GDP (purchasing power parity basis) of the 57 Muslim countries is under $2 trillion. The US produces goods and services worth $10.4 trillion; China $5.7 trillion, Japan $3.5 trillion, India $3 trillion and Germany $2.1 trillion. The oil rich states Saudi Arabia , United Arab Emirates , Kuwait and Qatar collectively produce goods and services worth $430 billion; Thailand alone produces goods and services worth $429 billion.
Underachievement by Muslims was not always the case claim Muslims and point to a glorious and illustrious time when the Arab Muslim empire was the most advanced and enlightened in the world. Many discoveries were made in the period 750 1250 AD according to Muslims. Critical analysis of this period shows that many of the advancements and discoveries we falsely attribute to Muslims were actually made by the ancient civilisations of the Mediterranean area, or by the ancient Chinese and Indian civilisations.
Muslims believe, that glass mirrors, were first developed by Muslim Spain in the 11th century. Around 1290 Venetians learned how to produce glass from the Spanish Muslims. The Romans invented the glass mirror around the 1st century. Research by Reinuad and Fave, indicates that Muslims chemists were the first to develop the formula for gunpowder and later produced firearms. The Chinese knew the formula for gunpowder and used it for military purposes during the Sung dynasty of the 12th century. Muslims boast that they laid the foundations for modern mathematics and two of its main branches, geometry and trigonometry. The Muslim contribution was merely to collect and combine the work done by the Egyptians, Greeks, Indians, Persians and Romans. The Indian civilisation gave us the concept of zero and modern numbers. Brahmagupta, an Indian mathematician, (598 665 AD) can be accredited with the initial work on algebra and negative numbers. The trigonometry terms sine and cosine have there origin in Sanskrit, the ancient language of India .
The underachievement and underperformance by Muslims is acute in the 57 Islamic countries. Muslims claim that they are recovering from a long period of colonisation and de colonisation and the effects of the removal of the Palestinian people from Arab lands. How about the achievements of Muslims who live and work in the West? Well the truth is not that much better than their cousins in Muslim countries.
The United Kingdom census of 2001 for the first time looked at the nations religious background. The findings showed that Muslims make up 2.8% of the UK population. Hindus 1%, Sikhs 0.6, Buddhists and Jews both make up 0.5% of the UK population. 31% of Muslims of working age have no qualifications, the highest of any religious group. As in many countries owing your own home is a major achievement and financial responsibility. 82% of Sikhs followed by 78% of Jews own their own home in the UK . Only 52% of Muslims own their own home, the lowest of any religious group. 14% of Muslims are unemployed, compared to 8% of Sikhs and 6% of Hindus. The underachievement of Muslims is even more bleak when you examine where most Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhist in the UK come from. 75% of Muslims, 97% of Hindus, 98 % of Sikhs and 69% of Buddhists in the UK are from or have ancestral links to South Asia . Therefore any cultural factors can be largely ruled out when comparing the achievement of Muslims with people from other religious groups. Muslims complain that they have to overcome language difficulties and face discrimination in the UK and state this as a factor in there poor performance. Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs face the same language and discrimination issues as Muslims, yet their achievements and performance is much better than Muslims.
The underachievement of Muslims should come as no surprise to those of us who understand the true nature of Islam. Everything a Muslim needs to know is in the Koran, Hadith or Sunnah. Muslims are not encouraged to seek knowledge and better themselves. Muslims are against progress, modernity and science. Those that control Islam do not want to see Muslims educated as an educated Muslim will apply commonsense and logic to the Koran and see it for what its is, a collection of distorted Bible and Torah stories and in print the mind of a 7th century Bedouin bandit leader.
References
United Nations' Arab Human Development Report 2002
United Nations' Arab Human Development Report 2003
World Book Encyclopaedia
Encyclopaedia Britannica
Chronology of Science and Discovery Isaac Asimov's
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/focuson/religion/
Thats only because the blood thirsty murderous cult took the technology and infra-structure of the countrys(area) they conquered as their own.. and rapidly changed available history to reflect that.. Ask the Copts who allowed them into Egypt.. Islam is a social disease.. and should be cured..
Jews and 20th Century Asian arrivals are high achievers in Math and Science. But they test very highly on basic aptitude tests for math and science. Parents tend to push children in directions that the parent's appreciate, because of their own level of comprehension. An interesting contrast would be between the Chinese that came to do unskilled work on the railroads in the middle decades of the 19th Century--who came from a poorer class of Chinese--and the more recent arrivals. As one would expect, the work done in this area, shows a marked advantage (in so far as academics are concerned) for the more recent arrivals. Genes over environment (the older Chinese, having obviously had longer to benefit from our freer environment).
The authors belief is not tunnel vision. Its just that he favors an environmental/cultural explanation over an unsupported hypothesis that Arabs lost the contribution of smart people to their gene pool in war a millennium ago and never recovered.
Are you seriously denying the genocidal practices in the Near East under Tamerlane & Co., around 1400? It is hardly an unsupported hypothesis!
William Flax
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You have a pretty disgusting racist view there. So, 200 years after the religion being founded and absorbing the knowledge of the cultures it conquered, somehow the individuals were not capable of comprehension? That's even forgetting the fact that many of their scholars were themselves decendents of the cultures that invented these things. For example, Khwarizmi and Omar Khayyam were Persian and Abu Kamil Egyptian, and all are credited with the advancement of mathematics. They're supposed to suddenly turn stupid just because great-granddad converted to Islam?
Hell, Fibonacci, a.k.a., the father of mathematics, learned math from the Muslims.
Funny, I hear people say that at a higher level: Religion is a social disease.
"You have a pretty disgusting racist view there."
Muslims are not a race, they are a religious group comprising of many races. Many people from my own race are today Muslims. So you accusation doesn't stick.
And I will stand by my word. Name at least one famous modern day Mathematician, scientist ....Nobel prize winner from the Muslim world?
Ever since Muslims came out of the Arabian hell hole and went out on their crusades... conquering, ravaging, raping ,looting, pillageing, slaughter, destroying, demolishing all that which took years to build, you think they had any time to sit back and become civilised enough to delve into the depths of science and mathematics. Pah!
All that they are left capable of doing after years of butchery is to rip off from those whome they have conquered or killed, any bits and pieces of knowledge that survived the carnage and claim it as their own invention. All the Khwarizmis, Khayyams, and Kamils merely did was to translated into Arabic/Persian original works of Indians, Chinese, ancient Egyptians and Greeks.
And btw I am advocating in favour of Indians, Chinese, Egyptians and Greeks and all those cultures that came ages before the Muslim came on to this planet. And all of these are different races. So my views may be disgusting for you but they are definitely not "rascist".
"Hell, Fibonacci, a.k.a., the father of mathematics, learned math from the Muslims."
Yeah right! Just like how America was originally "Emirka" discovered first by Arab seafarers. So even Leibnitz and Newton learned math from Muslims, no?
" although it's funny to read terms like "Mahomet" and "Moorish" in use."
BTW the word "Moron" comes from the word "Moorish". And you think they are that good that they can invent algebra?
I will concede one thing though that ancient Persia was far ahead of any other Islamic cultures anywhere. In fact pre-Islamic Persia was a very advanced civilisation. The art of constructing the dome was first perfected in Persia. All that Muslims of today can boast about is all that they have inherited from the Persians.
Jesus came to make ALL religion obsolete, AND DID..
Even yours and MINE..
External religion vacuums up Money..
Internal religion vacuums up Time...
Jesus came to make a family not an corporation..
The Messiah is not about a job, Messiah is about an adventure..
Because they are trying to operate in the 7th century????
Muslim rate is about double. Are we counting Muslims who are not looking for work among the unemployed? Because I'll bet that Muslim women with children are not likely to work by choice, thus doubling the unemployment rate among Muslims.
It's Bush's fault!
You two posted virtually the same message within 2 seconds of each other. Proves it's true.
Modern? Hell, no! Muslim civilization has degenerated too much. Right now we're talking about what they did in the past.
you think they had any time to sit back and become civilised enough to delve into the depths of science and mathematics.
Yes, they did. Check out the University of Baghdad, which eclipsed Jundaisapur as THE center of learning under the Abbasid Caliphate. When Mamun traded gifts with other states, he gave riches and asked for philosophy books in return (thus gaining possession of the works of Aristotle, Plato, etc.).
Simply, there was a line of powerful caliphs who believed strongly in education and scientific and philosophical advancement. They pushed Muslims in that direction, and literally backed this quest for knowledge with their gold. Who knows, maybe they had a chip on their shoulders to make up for originally being a backwater culture.
However, things reverted quite quickly once that line died out. Even from the most revisionist Muslims you will probably hear few if any stories of scientific accomplishments after the 13th Century.
The lands they live in produce the largest quantities of heroin and opium and it doesn't all leave the country.
Last but not least, terrorists appear to have a form of rabies that focusses on fair skin.
Read Fibonacci's bio, that's what happened. Evidence does show that the rich (and I mean RICH!) West African Muslims made it to the Americas following the North Equatorial Current, which flows straight from Africa to the Americas. However, they never made it back (no Eastbound current there), so it's not much more than a historical footnote.
I don't know about England, but in Germany a lot of the Muslims there are coming over as asylum seekers (IMNSHO, abusing the system), and are therefore unemployed since IIRC they don't get a work permit.
They're also trying to bring their home-country culture with them, not long ago even resulting in an "honor killing." And here I thought that's they culture they were trying to escape by claiming asylum.
You are talking about Ashkenazi Jews who live in the advanced West. But what about Sephardic Jews who live in the backwards Middle-east?
Take a look at the some of our inner city dudes. Many kids with many girl friends. Some of us pratice polygamy too, just a little differently.
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