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New Carnivore discovered (strange pic)
Reuters ^ | 12/5/05 | none

Posted on 12/05/2005 11:35:29 PM PST by dangus

GENEVA (Reuters) - Environmental researchers are preparing to capture what they call a new, mysterious species of carnivore on Borneo, the first such discovery on the wildlife-rich Indonesian island in over a century.

Swiss-based environmental group WWF said on Monday its researchers photographed the strange animal, which looks like a cross between a cat and a fox, in the dense, central mountainous rainforests of Borneo.

"This could be the first time in more than a century that a new carnivore has been discovered on the island," said the WWF in a statement.

The mammal, slightly larger than a cat with red fur and a long tail, was photographed twice by a camera trap at night.

Locals and wildlife experts who viewed photographs of the animal, which has very small ears and large hind legs, said they had never seen such a creature before and were convinced that it was a new species, WWF said.

Researchers hope to confirm the discovery by setting cage traps to catch a live specimen, but warn that Indonesian government plans to clear the rainforest to create the world's largest palm oil plantation may interfere with plans, WWF said.

The proposed plantation scheme, funded by the China Development Bank, is expected to cover an area of 1.8 million hectares, equivalent to about half the size of The Netherlands, said the WWF, formerly known as the World Wide Fund for Nature.

The potential new species of carnivore in Borneo would be the first since the discovery of the Borneo ferret-badger in 1895, the WWF said.

Pictures of the animal were first taken by WWF researchers in 2003, the photos kept unpublished by the WWF as research continued. The WWF decided to make public the photos with the release of a book about Borneo, to be published on Tuesday.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: borneo; crevolist; cryptobiology; cryptozoology; godsgravesglyphs; lookslikeadamncat
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To: kublia khan
Even for a Brontosaur it looks a little odd, I mean it appears to have a double barrel poop chute????

HA HA HA!!!

81 posted on 12/06/2005 12:45:45 PM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: TC Rider; ican'tbelieveit; Lady Jag; Drammach; FreedomCalls; expatguy; vimto

It's amazing how that picture of a fossa so well shows incredible similarities... the legs are quite remarkable. I'm not sure about the ears, and it's awful hard to tell with the lighting but there may be a subtle difference in color. These sort of changes MAY indicate some speciation, but hardly justify the sort of headlines this generated, which made it seem like the discovery of the Platypus, or the Echidna, or something like that.

"New Carnivore Discovered" sure is a lot flashier than "Obscure animal seen wiih unusual colorations that might suggest speciation."

I don't think the WWF faked this, I think they simply did an amazing job of spinning a none-too-remarkable sighting.


82 posted on 12/06/2005 7:52:08 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

Thanks, dangus. . .interesting stuff. . . particularly that of 'brains' located in a posterior location; and all this time I just thought it was anatomical pecularity of Liberals. . .


83 posted on 12/06/2005 8:24:35 PM PST by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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To: dangus

Think of the cougar/puma/panther/mountain lion family. Depending where you are, you have different coloration and size, but still the same species.


84 posted on 12/06/2005 8:28:08 PM PST by ican'tbelieveit
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To: dangus
What's to discover? It's a jeep!


85 posted on 12/06/2005 8:30:55 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: i_dont_chat
That link did not work

Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in /web/disk1/virtual/adsrve.com/htdocs/Release3/linkredirect.php on line 128

I guess I'm going to die now.

Anyway I guess this is some kind of Lemur, must have escaped from the Rainforest Zoo or something

86 posted on 12/06/2005 9:37:18 PM PST by GeronL (Leftism is the INSANE Cult of the Artificial)
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To: Lady Jag
Great find on the pic..
That looks almost exactly like what was shown in the article, even the pose..

There was a similar article concerning a Viverrid a couple of years ago, IIRC..
Possibly it was concerning this specimen, but I thought it was discovered elsewhere.. I will have to do some GIS'ing and see if I can find some information on that other "discovery" and where it was..

87 posted on 12/06/2005 10:12:30 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Lady Jag

It looks like he's just seen something horrible, like Hillary in a short skirt...


88 posted on 12/06/2005 10:18:37 PM PST by Serb5150 (God has two dwellings: one in heaven, and the other in a meek and thankful heart -Izaak Walton)
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To: jwfiv

Whatever it is, it's cute and I want one.


89 posted on 12/06/2005 10:20:33 PM PST by Serb5150 (God has two dwellings: one in heaven, and the other in a meek and thankful heart -Izaak Walton)
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To: dangus; ican'tbelieveit; Lady Jag; Drammach; FreedomCalls; expatguy; vimto

I'm fortunate to be friends with a fossa expert, Luke Dollar, a Research Fellow at Duke University. He's spent a lot of time studying and trapping fossa in Madagascar. He is already in touch with researchers in Borneo. They feel there are more similarities than differences.

The fossa is also very reclusive and difficult to trap. (they like chicken!)


90 posted on 12/07/2005 7:27:55 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: TC Rider

But that's what is so amazing about this site. There's SOMEBODY who knows about every last darn thing in the universe. Bush visits Iraq, someone's there; Earthquake strikes Indonesia, and we've got people from Jakarta to just outside that city in Thailand that got wiped out (forgot its name) to Sri Lanka, to a naval station in the middle of the Pacific Ocean; the Space Shuttle blows up over Texas and we've got reports coming in while it's still over California fretting about it not looking right. So of course, some researchers in the most distant jungles on Earth make a discovery, and someone knows someone who is in contact!


91 posted on 12/07/2005 7:36:39 AM PST by dangus
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To: TC Rider

... and those silly fools at CBS think they can put one over on us.. :^)


92 posted on 12/07/2005 7:37:00 AM PST by dangus
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To: Talking_Mouse
How does the WWF know it is a carnivore, not an omnivore?

The same way they know it's a mammal and not a marsupial.
They used the MSM method and made it up.

93 posted on 12/07/2005 7:43:25 AM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: TC Rider; dangus

Fascinating, TC. Does Mr. Dollar believe it was migration that separated them?


94 posted on 12/07/2005 8:27:01 AM PST by Lady Jag (Honor - Dignity - Courage - Troll Consumption)
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To: Lady Jag
Fascinating, TC. Does Mr. Dollar believe it was migration that separated them?

Not sure, we just exchanged brief emails. I'll see him on Sunday at an IDPA pistol match. Mr. Dollar also wields a pretty mean 1911A1 .

Interesting enough, he's a regular in Madagascar. He had a party for his fellow researchers and friends from Madagascar, some time after the wedding when they were all back in the USA. He brought many of them out to the range. I got to shoot with the Special Envoy to Madagascar, who had a pretty cool IPSC rig. Makes me think that not everyone at the State Department is a bleeding liberal.

I will inquire to see what the latest theories are.

95 posted on 12/07/2005 8:58:43 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Serb5150
It looks like he's just seen something horrible, like Hillary in a short skirt...

You have to give him big points for being able to remain standing!

96 posted on 12/07/2005 9:02:57 AM PST by Lady Jag (Honor - Dignity - Courage - Troll Consumption)
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To: expatguy

Beware The Lemurs!!!
(For they are many, and cunning.)


97 posted on 12/07/2005 9:18:22 AM PST by 75thOVI (Navy son, Navy vet, Navy husband........Marine dad. What's up with that?)
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To: TC Rider

I've been trying to recall a story out in the Pacific somewhere where it was observed that some animals (I forget what) that used a tool on one island but the same animals on another island didn't use tools. Some tool using animals made it to the other island and, later witnesses reported those animals were using tools the same as the first island. I believe is was an early report of animal use of tools and teaching or learning by seeing.

I wonder if he knows the story. It's been so many years since reading it, I've forgotten details. I've been around long enough to remember when experts doubted that animals used tools and long enough to see them realize that lots of animals do, so it's one of my fascinations.

Migratory animals have experience altered coloration and behavioral changes. Interesting subject.


98 posted on 12/07/2005 9:48:17 AM PST by Lady Jag (Honor - Dignity - Courage - Troll Consumption)
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To: TC Rider

Oh, by the way, 1911 good. Colt Commander here.


99 posted on 12/07/2005 9:54:56 AM PST by Lady Jag (Honor - Dignity - Courage - Troll Consumption)
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To: Serb5150

Shoulda knowed you'd want one ... I think you also need a centipede to fancy taking to the pub ... )


100 posted on 12/07/2005 10:27:25 AM PST by jwfiv
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