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New Carnivore discovered (strange pic)
Reuters ^ | 12/5/05 | none

Posted on 12/05/2005 11:35:29 PM PST by dangus

GENEVA (Reuters) - Environmental researchers are preparing to capture what they call a new, mysterious species of carnivore on Borneo, the first such discovery on the wildlife-rich Indonesian island in over a century.

Swiss-based environmental group WWF said on Monday its researchers photographed the strange animal, which looks like a cross between a cat and a fox, in the dense, central mountainous rainforests of Borneo.

"This could be the first time in more than a century that a new carnivore has been discovered on the island," said the WWF in a statement.

The mammal, slightly larger than a cat with red fur and a long tail, was photographed twice by a camera trap at night.

Locals and wildlife experts who viewed photographs of the animal, which has very small ears and large hind legs, said they had never seen such a creature before and were convinced that it was a new species, WWF said.

Researchers hope to confirm the discovery by setting cage traps to catch a live specimen, but warn that Indonesian government plans to clear the rainforest to create the world's largest palm oil plantation may interfere with plans, WWF said.

The proposed plantation scheme, funded by the China Development Bank, is expected to cover an area of 1.8 million hectares, equivalent to about half the size of The Netherlands, said the WWF, formerly known as the World Wide Fund for Nature.

The potential new species of carnivore in Borneo would be the first since the discovery of the Borneo ferret-badger in 1895, the WWF said.

Pictures of the animal were first taken by WWF researchers in 2003, the photos kept unpublished by the WWF as research continued. The WWF decided to make public the photos with the release of a book about Borneo, to be published on Tuesday.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: borneo; crevolist; cryptobiology; cryptozoology; godsgravesglyphs; lookslikeadamncat
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To: Khurkris
Wonder what they taste like?


41 posted on 12/06/2005 3:25:51 AM PST by kanawa
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To: dangus

My thoughts ,is it made up to stop the deveolopment of the forest. What better way then to come up with a animal that isn't there.

We know there is only a couple we need to protect the forest so they are not killed.


42 posted on 12/06/2005 3:46:34 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: GeronL

I can see it's wings! Can't you?


43 posted on 12/06/2005 5:01:39 AM PST by i_dont_chat (Houston, TX)
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To: dangus

Looks to me like it's eating Cheerios, so how can it be a carnivore? Plus its tail is plugged into an electric outlet so its eyes glow. I think this is a display from Toys R Us.


44 posted on 12/06/2005 5:58:49 AM PST by sergeantdave (Member of the Arbor Day Foundation, travelling the country and destroying open space)
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To: Drammach

I am not aware of the "viverrid", however I do know that there are some wierd cats here in Djakarta that can be seen walking atop walls and roofs at night, and are said to be a cross between a civet cat and a mongoose.

Two weeks ago, some creature killed all the koi in my fish pond, but did not eat them. They all had gouge marks on their bellies. The catfish were untouched, as were the janitor fish. My missus says it was done by a snake, but I suspect the "viverrid".


45 posted on 12/06/2005 6:08:11 AM PST by punchamullah
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To: dangus
It looks to me like a type of . Usually the tail is a little more curled, and curled toward the back. But I have seen cuscus sometimes with the tail stretched out in that manner. Most of the pics I've seen on the 'net had it a different color, but the animal pictured here is exactly the color of the cuscus my yard man brought in from the Papuan highlands and wanted to sell to me.


47 posted on 12/06/2005 6:19:37 AM PST by Jemian (Take up their mantle, carry on their fight, complete their mission.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Yes, have used it before...my cat (Pookie's successor) didn't appreciate it either :-(


48 posted on 12/06/2005 6:40:21 AM PST by pookie18 ((Hillary Rotten) Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: FreedomCalls

Times UK are suggesting this might be a newly evolved species! (rather than an old one newly discovered).


49 posted on 12/06/2005 7:02:36 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: cricket

Actually, the funny thing is that Brontosaurs are said to have had brains in their ass! Seriously. There was what is more properly called a "ganglial mass" of neurons near the Brontosaurs' tookus. A lot of dinosaur stuff since I read about that has turned out to be silly misunderstandings, so I may be quoting ridiulously out-of-date stuff, but the though was that it serves as a sort of secondary brainstem, because the hind quarters were so far from the skull, and neural electrochemical transmission is actually very slow.


50 posted on 12/06/2005 7:49:31 AM PST by dangus
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To: vimto

>> Why did you post that? I can't stop seeing it from the wrong end any more! <<

I'm really bad at doing to that to people. :^D I ruined my pastor's favorite recording of Handel's Messiah by singing it as "Come for Tea, My People." It's not my fault the singers can't properly annunciate of the letter "Y." (If they're going to sing about the birth of the Messiah, they should be able to make a proper annunciation!)

... If you've been culturally deprived, it should be sung as "Comfort Ye, My People."


51 posted on 12/06/2005 7:55:04 AM PST by dangus
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To: Jemian

>> It looks to me like a type of . <<

My girlfriend has lots of those.

>> But I have seen cuscus sometimes with the tail stretched out in that manner. <<

Is that what they make cuscus out of? Isn't it spelled cous-cous? That's how my ex-girlfriend spelled it, and she should know... She's Lesbian! (She hates it when I call her that for some reason, but she was born in Beirut.)


52 posted on 12/06/2005 8:00:02 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
What the...that's not a new carnivore that's my ex-mother-in-law! 4 ft 8" tall, 78 lbs, alot of hair and nocturnal! Yeah! That's her... I mean it!"
53 posted on 12/06/2005 8:10:17 AM PST by Brofholdonow
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To: Drammach; dangus; FreedomCalls; expatguy; punchamullah
Viverrid sure looks like the right guess, Drammach.


54 posted on 12/06/2005 8:14:50 AM PST by Lady Jag (Honor - Dignity - Courage - Troll Consumption)
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To: vimto

>> Times UK are suggesting this might be a newly evolved species! (rather than an old one newly discovered). <<

Now that's just plain silly. Speciaition is the inability to interbreed. Newly acquired phylogenic traits (i.e., a genetic change resulting in an altered appearance) are said to LEAD to speciation, but if an organism is so profoundly unique that speciation occurs immediately, by definition, it cannot reproduce. When that happens, it's simply called a "birth defect."

People do misunderstand that evolution can be sudden in the sense that a mutation takes a single generation to occur. But the propigation of that gene takes a long time from the perspective of human history... even though it appears instantaneous from the perspective of billions of years of geological history.

If speciation does occur due to a sudden new phylogenic trait, first enough inter-breeding has to occur to establish a fair-sized population of organisms with that trait. Eventually, offspring of two parents with that trait may cease to recognize that those without the trait are potential mates. Or those with the trait and those without it may become seperated. (For instance, superior vision in dim light may make one species choose hunting grounds deeper in a forest.) Then, when additional genetic mutations occur, they aren't shared among the two groups, and the organisms become more and more dissimilar.

This may make the term "speciation" seem surprisingly relative. It is. It's always a judgment call as to when two races or subspecies of organisms should be said to have speciated. For instance, two dissimilar subspecies may still be perfectly capable of interbreeding, but geographically isolated. But with land bridges and the like, that can change rapidly. And what constitutes geographic isolation? For small creatures, being in a different forest may be more of an isolation than bears being on seperate continents.

In any event, the notion that a species "just evolved" is ridiculous.


55 posted on 12/06/2005 8:18:13 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
Actually, the funny thing is that Brontosaurs are said to have had brains in their ass!

You're out of date. There is no such thing as a Brontosaur anymore. They are Apatosaurs now. What they thought was a Brontosaur turned out to be a misidentification of a Apatosaur, so the earlier discovered one, the Apatosaur, gets to keep the name and Brontosaurs are no more.

56 posted on 12/06/2005 8:19:36 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Lady Jag

That's a new one on me... He's kinda neat looking. In Narnia, he'd be quite treacherous.


57 posted on 12/06/2005 8:22:22 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
Yeah, I didn't think it was true and that's why I posted it I needed someone else to put up a convincing case because I don't understand these things very well.
The Times might well have been 'sexing up' the story to make it more interesting than "Fuzzy Picture of Unidentifiable Animal - Exclusive".
warm regards!
58 posted on 12/06/2005 8:23:41 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: dangus

Looks a bit like a mongoose.


59 posted on 12/06/2005 8:24:12 AM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: FreedomCalls

Thanks. After less than one second, I saw it just fine, but the lightening up of the photo is certainly nice.


60 posted on 12/06/2005 8:24:17 AM PST by dangus
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