Posted on 12/03/2005 3:44:27 AM PST by strategofr
Time, and past time.
so, how did they keep the other countries intel quiet?
All the reports I've read so far, say the "destruction of Able Dangers Papers" during Bush Admin were procedural (SOP), rather than directly ordered destroyed. Hmm.
It troubled me to read the above piece. There are so many accounts of the Able Danger matter. Louis Freeh wrote a piece on it in the Wall Street Journal. In the last paragraph he says:
The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Arlen Specter, has led the way in cleaning up the 9/11 Commission's unfinished business. Amid a very full plate of responsibilities, he conducted a hearing after noting that Col. Shaffer and Capt. Phillpott "appear to have credibility." Himself a former prosecutor, Mr. Specter noted: "If Mr. Atta and other 9/11 terrorists were identified before the attacks, it would be a very serious breach not to have that information passed along . . . we ought to get to the bottom of it." Indeed we should. The 9/11 Commission gets an "I" grade--incomplete--for its dereliction regarding Able Danger. The Joint Intelligence Committees should reconvene and, in addition to Able Danger team members, we should have the 9/11 commissioners appear as witnesses so the families can hear their explanation why this doesn't matter.
The paragraph begs answers. It also tells me Jamie Gorelick was on the wrong side of the table during the hearings.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007559
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Makes me a firm believer in conspiracies. Both the Sleeze president and the "Christian" President are stonewalling this huge scandal.
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I will be sick if the Bush administration has truly had a hand in ordering documents destroyed. Clinton covered up so many things, and that's something I never thought this president would do. For what purpose?
bttt!
Sorry, Peach...this is a confirmed fact.
Schaffer was ordered in 2004 to destroy his copies of the info, and James Smith had info that had not been picked up in the original Klintonista sweep that was also ordered destroyed!
This is official testimony, and Zaif has confirmed it.
Between the Able Danger stuff, and W's complete refusal to secure the borders and INSISTS on backing Illegal Infiltrators in America with Shamnesty...I now am beginning to believe the cabal theory between the Klinton Mafia and the Bush Clan may be more than "tin-foil" stuff!
If you look at what is coming out of this Administration, it's almost as if they are running GHWB's re-election campaign (tone deaf to the public opinion as to what is important...arrogance in the Miers garbage...refusal to veto/control spending!)...thus ensuring a DemonRAT win in 2008...for another Klinton!
I HATE that I have to now start suspecting this...but there is WAY too much evidence to hide, and now the web allows for the spread of info outside the control of the 2 Parties...it makes it worse!
I'll be the first on my knees with a "Mea Culpa" if I'm wrong, but between ravingnutter, you, and alamo-girl's info, plus others...and my fights with OBL/Administration shills here...I'm, unfortunately, fairly sure these conclusions are correct.
As to what purpose...keeping power controlled closely in 2 concentrated sources/families...blackmail by FBI files...(BOY I hate to say this part!) New World Order stuff (UNNNNGH!)...there are a LOT of theories, and a lot of links/evidence for some of them!
We are ALL in seriously deep doo-doo!
I don't get it. Much as I love Rumsfeld and Bush, I see no good reason for this information to be covered up. If Clinton was doing this, we'd be going nuts.
placemarker
There is NOTHING about 'Able Danger' which concludes that the "War on Terror" is a farce.
Able Danger may be an incompetence cover-up, but it is NO FACTOR in the validaty of the war on terror.
bttt
Who can we elect to the Presidency that will truly protect Americans?
Who ever it is, it must not be someone who sees Government as what should be protected. Bush continues to prioritize Government process over efficiencies; establishment over effectiveness.
Bush has done well with the economy, and tax cuts are the sole reason, so Bush is indirectly cutting government.
Clinton obviously prioritized power and INCOME TRANSFER. So I'll take Big Government Bush over Marxist Clinton progressives any day.
But the respect Bush has for the governing process is the reason some people from the Clinton regime are not sitting in jail now.
"so, how did they keep the other countries intel quiet?"
"Who can we elect to the Presidency that will truly protect Americans?"
The Presidency is obviously hugely important. But really, solving this problem is going to require first, the conservative Republicans need to wake up, smell the coffee, and start to realize that we have a real enemy facing us---someone far beyond a bunch of suicidal ragheads. Nor are the co-ordinated, multidirectional attacks on United States a matter of "chance" or "stupidity".
For example, we will have to abandon cultural theories about why our mainstream media functions as a well integrated, well coordinated tool of our enemies.
The multifaceted, worldwide structure of the subversion built by the KGB through most of the 20th century, the American portion of which was described in part by Ann Coulter in her book Treason, has not magically disappeared or evolved into some cultural force.
Vladimir Putin and his KGB colleagues now rule Russia. Although it is true that they have abandoned the folly of state control over the means of production (communism)they have not abandoned the ideals of the KGB by which they were trained and served throughout their lives. I refer to a belief in deception, line, torture, murder, blackmail, subversion, terror, et cetera.
The best way to understand what is going on in the world today that he is to read two books written by Anatoly Golitsyn: New Lies for Old (1984, 1990) and the Perestroika Deception (1990, 1993, 1995, in 1998).
Golitsyn was a ranking member of the KGB until 1961 when he defected to the U. S. with his family from his posting in Finland. He explained that Stalin had done huge damage to communism. Recognizing this, in 1957 to 1960 there were a series of high-level international conferences in Russia to repair this damage and change the direction of communism.
This is not speculation on Golitsyn's part---he was part of these conferences. The Stalinist system---the idea that the Soviets had to completely control all Communist parties in the world---was abandonned in these conferences. It was replaced by a much more flexible concept of Communist Parties acting in a more independent manner based on local conditions.
Most especially, the idea that China was supposed to be subordinate to the government of the Soviet Union was abandoned. This, according to Golitsyn, marked the end of the real sign of Soviet conflict. However, it was decided that a pseudo Sino-Soviet conflict would be begun because it would be useful for manipulating the West.
In addition, in-depth historical studies of Lenin's New Economic Policy (NEP) were begun with the purpose of imitating this strategy. In the last, we knew Lenin's NEP as a genuine attempt at liberalization in the Soviet Union--- an attempt that was short-circuited by Stalin. According to Golitsyn however, this view is false. The NEP was a deception, staged by Lennon to reduce pressure from the West to open up badly needed economic aid and monetary credits at a time when the more sincere, openly revolutionary strategy was leading the Soviet Union toward its own destruction. Although the Communist leadership (in the late 1950s) was aware of this past deception, they were not well familiar with its details. Detailed records had been kept however, and were studied at that time.
The various waves of "liberalization" in the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, and China were the result of these studies (according to Golitsyn). In every case, fake operations by the Communist governments drew many naïve, sincere participants into the protest, liberalization movement. In Eastern Europe this had a tendency to get out of hand, i.e. Czechoslovakia and Poland. Even in China (Tieneman Square), a problem developed. Golitsyn sites and extensive report in the New York Times, June 13, 1989, by Nicholas D. Kristof "asserting that, while troops were shooting and killing victims in the area around the square, there was no firm evidence that students were killed in the middle of the square its self. If Christos version is correct, it would support the suggestion that the crackdown was aimed, not if the original pro-democracy demonstrators, who, by Kristof's account, left the square together singing the internationality and who had been carrying placards supporting the Communist Party, but at the on organized elements, who sought to join them or other allies to take advantage of the demonstration." (The Perestroika Deception, by Golitsyn, page 109.)
At first, Golitsyn had wide success in the West. He worked closely with the French president Pompidou and helped him completely clean up the French intelligence service, which had been compromised from top to bottom by the Soviets. He began a close collaboration with James Angleton, head of counterintelligence in the CIA. They determined that there were multiple Soviet penetrations in the CIA, particularly in the Soviet division.
Then things started to go wrong for Golitsyn. Pompidou left office and Golitsyn was not able to establish a relationship with his successor (as I recall that part of the book, at any rate, his relationship with the French government and in some way.) Angleton was gradually discredited. Golitsyn predicted from the start that there would be a stream of defectors from Soviet intelligence, who would denounce him. This happened, and they were received very positively by the US intelligence establishment.
My own view is that Golitsyn is (or was) an experienced intelligence pro, who obviously could deal well with intelligence people and understood problems from that and from a professional angle. I think his big mistake was initially underestimating the effect of those he called "agents of influence." These were non-intelligence assets of the Soviet Union including journalists, professors, politicians, et cetera.
Anyhow, Golitsyn and Angleton were made the objects of ridicule. Angleton's health failed and he died, possibly this could have been caused in part by the stress of these experiences.
At any rate, this is my view of our current problems. We face a worldwide organized hard left (WOHL) that is the successor to World Communism. As always, the government of Russia, is the head of this organization. Many elements of the WOHL are under strong Russian control, particularly elements that function inside democratic countries. Of course, Russia does not control the government of China, but they are strongly allied with them and coordinate closely with them, albeit in secret.
The WOHL controls many key people in the US and worldwide mainstream media (MSM), the American Hard Left (which increasingly influences the Democratic Party), US academia, the US State Department, and many other places in the US and throughout the world.
I have no doubt whatsoever that the Conservative Republicans of the US have the power to defeat the WOHL inside the US and maintain our democracy, our freedom (including our freedom of religion), our Constitution, our military strength, our economic preeminence, and in short, everything we value. This will not require any of us going out and preempt for early shooting in a one or anything like that. We can win using the electoral process, freedom of press, etc.
However, to defeat an enemy, it is required that one first knows that the enemy exists and understands the nature of the enemy reasonably well. This, conservative Republicans of the US have not yet done. They have a vague understanding that the enemy exists, but a vague understanding will not be enough to give victory.
There is no need to panic. But if we bury our heads in the sand we, and everything we value, will be destroyed by a determined enemy.
FYI. In addition, I made an extensive comment, no. 19
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