Posted on 12/01/2005 11:47:39 AM PST by Sub-Driver
"A student should have a right to speak up and defend the truth and/or their faith, when their professors ridicule and/or question their beliefs."
Definitely so in a government run institution. If it is a totally private institution, then they have more say. Those that are "state" owned are subject to the state....which ultimately are the people.
XenuDidit placemark
You didn't answer my questions.
What experience?
How would you handle it?
In the Bible animals are classified according to very simple traits that are easily recognizable - such as, locomotion. In Genesis 1:20ff, living creatures are classed as those that creep, crawl, fly, swim, and walk. This is likely why the bat is listed with birds in Leviticus 11:19 and Deuteronomy 14:18. Bats fly.
The Hebrew term for “bird” in Leviticus 11:13 is oph, which simply means “a flying creature” (Brown, Driver, Briggs, Hebrew Lexicon, p. 733). The word is used in conjunction with insects in vv. 20-21. Obviously, then, oph is generic in import.
So the translation to English, being in error, is not inspired? Or is it inspired and in error? Which?
"So the translation to English, being in error, is not inspired? Or is it inspired and in error? Which?"
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It means that you sometimes need to use a dictionary.
There wasn't any error. Not on the Bible's part anyway.
So bats are birds? Or was there an error? If there was an error where is the error? If there wasn't an error, again, are bats birds?
If the error was in the translation are only the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek language parts error free in those languages? If one does not speak or read those languages how does one read an inerrant bible?
So bats are birds? Or was there an error? If there was an error where is the error? If there wasn't an error, again, are bats birds?
If the error was in the translation are only the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek language parts error free in those languages? If one does not speak or read those languages how does one read an inerrant bible?
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Apparently you have never worked with translations. It is clearly evident that bats and birds were placed in the same classification of flying creatures.
Still no error.
Be advised, "whatever" will have the last laugh :-)
Odin usually does, yes.
Manifestly and objectively, Bats are not birds. To say so, one must either err or deceive. There is no third choice.
Don't be a sap, muir_redwoods.
Don't engage in personal attacks. If you want to contribute to this discussion, point out an error or fault in my logic or thinking.
We don't know what the class limit was set at. Some college classes are intentionally kept small. Different courses have different policies. I have taught college classes that were limited to 35 in small classrooms and also classes that were limited to 225 in good sized lecture halls.
I have taught on the university level for nearly 25 years, and know of no procedure for tossing a disruptive student from a class unless the student threatens someone or brandishes a weapon. Students who repeatedly disagree with the prof cannot be expelled from a class in my university, at least, to the best of my knowledge. I have never heard of it being done, certainly not in a publicly funded university.
At very least, it would not be easy, at all and would involve numerous administrators, and might take most of the term.
The Bible is not meant to be a scientific description of modern biological categories. Instead, it is often written from the perspective of what we see. In other words, it makes generic categorizations. In this case, the bat is categorized as a bird because like birds, it flies and is similar in size to most birds. If we did not know that it was a mammal, it would be natural to call it a bird. To the Hebrew of ancient times, calling it a bird was perfectly logical. But, in modern times with our science of being able to categorize animal species, we know that the bat is actually a mammal and not a bird.
Also, we must be aware that it is modern science that has a different classification system than ancient times. To the ancients, creatures such as a bat were considered birds since they categorized all flying animals as birds. If that is the category that they used, then they were correct. It is not an error. It is a difference of categorization procedures. You have imposed upon the ancient text a modern system of categorization and then said that the Bible is wrong.
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