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Atheists File Suit Against UHP Memorial Crosses
ABC 4 in Utah ^ | 12/1/2005 | ABC 4

Posted on 12/01/2005 7:13:41 AM PST by Andyman

A lawsuit against memorial crosses is set to be filed Thursday by a group that feels they violate the separation of church and state.

Three Utah atheists, backed by a national organization based in Texas, are filing suit against the state for allowing crosses to be erected in honor of highway patrol troopers, who have died in the line of duty.

Richard Andrews said, "I feel the same way a Jew might feel if you put a state symbol on a swastika"

According to the UHP Association, a support group for troopers and their families, many fallen troopers' relatives consider the memorial crosses just as important as the tombstones that mark their graves.

Sgt. Todd Royce of the UHP Association told ABC 4 News, "It's a sense of pride, I think. It's a... kind of a sacred feeling."

The atheists suggest the association could honor the troopers with a non-denominational symbol.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: atheistagenda; athiests; cross; lawsuit; memorials; moralabsolutes; purge; secularjihad
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To: OpusatFR
"The atheists suggest the association could honor the troopers with a non-denominational symbol."

What part of "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" do these people not understand?

The problem with America today is that liberals have replaced what the Constitution actually says with their own Cliffs Notes version of the Constitution.

41 posted on 12/01/2005 7:43:30 AM PST by Polybius
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To: TChris
Well, that's only reasonable. After all, we know that millions of athiests have been systematically murdered by Christians.

The sad thing is that you believe you're actually being sarcastic.

There was a time when Christians did indeed systematically kill atheists, and "witches", and all kinds of other non-Christians.

42 posted on 12/01/2005 7:44:47 AM PST by mc6809e
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To: SCALEMAN
(Why should they be so upset if they are so sure that GOD doesn't exist? )

I think it is jealousy, in that they want to be a small god and lack a huge amount of ability.
43 posted on 12/01/2005 7:47:05 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rush agrees with me 98.5% of the time!)
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To: Polybius
What part of "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" do these people not understand?

You're confused.

The state has no right to the free exercise of religion. That would be the same as establishing religion which is prohibited by the first amendment.

44 posted on 12/01/2005 7:49:25 AM PST by mc6809e
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To: mc6809e

"I suggest Christians stop using the state to bully non-Christians.

This is the United States, not Iran."

But who is bullying whom? It is the Athiests who are using the state to do the bullying. Name current legal cases that can back your claim.


45 posted on 12/01/2005 7:50:31 AM PST by fightnback
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To: mc6809e
I suggest Christians stop using the state to bully non-Christians.

At first I was just going to ask you to point to all the data that backs up your claim.

Then I figured it would just be faster to call you an idiot and save us both a lot of time.

46 posted on 12/01/2005 7:51:12 AM PST by 11Bush
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To: mc6809e

"There was a time when Christians did indeed systematically kill atheists, and "witches", and all kinds of other non-Christians."


LIVE IN THE NOW!


47 posted on 12/01/2005 7:52:55 AM PST by fightnback
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To: Andyman
Richard Andrews said, "I feel the same way a Jew might feel if you put a state symbol on a swastika"

Well that settles it. After all, we should defer to little Dickie boy's feelings rather than respecting the troopers who have died in the line of duty. Dickie's feelings are much more important, even if they are driven by his insanely ignorant assumptions.

48 posted on 12/01/2005 7:53:16 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: mc6809e
There was a time when Christians did indeed systematically kill atheists, and "witches", and all kinds of other non-Christians.

Yep, 6 million of 'em, just like the Nazis did.

Puh. Leeze. Not even close.

49 posted on 12/01/2005 7:54:40 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: Andyman
Three Utah atheists

Are they the majority

50 posted on 12/01/2005 7:55:51 AM PST by Gone_Postal (government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take it away)
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To: Andyman
Richard Andrews said, "I feel the same way a Jew might feel if you put a state symbol on a swastika"

And will you shrivel up and go away if someone sprinkled holy water on you too?

Sheesh.

51 posted on 12/01/2005 7:58:33 AM PST by kstewskis ("Thank you ladies and gentlemen, you've been a wonderful audience" ...Rocky Rhodes)
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To: mc6809e
The state has no right to the free exercise of religion. That would be the same as establishing religion which is prohibited by the first amendment

The State using a cross to honor Christians who gave their life in service to that State is in no way 'establishing a religion'.

If you believe that it does, I would sincerely like you to explain that to me. You will be graded on brevity.

52 posted on 12/01/2005 8:10:47 AM PST by SCALEMAN
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To: atomicpossum
Why not sue Arlington Cemetery?

I am sure that is on the agenda.

53 posted on 12/01/2005 8:17:02 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: mc6809e

"The state has no right to the free exercise of religion. That would be the same as establishing religion which is prohibited by the first amendment."


In all of these anti-religion cases, the state is not exercising religion, merely acknowledging it. There is a difference. Look the words up yourself.


54 posted on 12/01/2005 8:20:01 AM PST by fightnback
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To: SCALEMAN
I have concluded that the ones who protest don't want to be reminded that if they are wrong, then they made a huge mistake in judgement.

Speaking of judgement... That's what they know, deep down, is coming... That's what they seek in vain to stamp out of their own consciences.

55 posted on 12/01/2005 8:23:48 AM PST by Lexinom
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To: mc6809e

In what ways do Christians use the state to bully non-Christians. Start giving some examples.


56 posted on 12/01/2005 8:24:50 AM PST by Madeleine Ward
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To: Andyman

>> Richard Andrews said, "I feel the same way a Jew might feel if you put a state symbol on a swastika" <<

Ummm... checking my score card. Atheist Russians slaughter 30 million Christians; Atheist Chinese slaughter 100 million Bhuddists, etc.; Atheist Germans slaughter 20 million Christans and 10 million Jews... I'd compare it more to Nazis having to bear with a state symbol on a Star of David.


57 posted on 12/01/2005 8:26:00 AM PST by dangus
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To: atomicpossum

Give them a chance.


58 posted on 12/01/2005 8:28:45 AM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: Edgerunner
Why should they be so upset if they are so sure that GOD doesn't exist?

I think their slip is showing.

Also, their true agenda.

60 posted on 12/01/2005 8:29:20 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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