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Iraqi Troops Kill Man Who Tried to Take Soldier's Weapon
American Forces Press Service ^ | Nov 30, 2005

Posted on 11/30/2005 5:21:12 PM PST by SandRat

WASHINGTON, Nov. 30, 2005 – Troops from the Iraqi army's 3rd Battalion, 1st Brigade, 7th Division, killed a man Nov. 29 after he tried to take a soldier's weapon near Ramadi, Iraq, military officials reported. Soldiers fired on the military-aged man after he refused to open his trunk during a vehicle search and went for a soldier's weapon.

Iraqi and coalition forces detained several insurgents and seized weapons caches Nov. 29 during operations throughout Iraq.

Iraqi police detained three men fleeing the scene of a rocket attack on a high school near Musayyib.

Near Rawah, an ineffective would-be suicide car bomb detonated near troops from the 1st Iraqi Intervention Force's 3rd Battalion, 1st Brigade, while they were providing security for an explosives ordnance team. The soldiers swept the area and apprehended nine men in connection with the incident. Three car bombs were also found nearby. The car bombs were detonated in place by the explosives team and the detainees were turned over to authorities.

Troops from the 3rd Battalion, 1st Brigade, 7th Iraqi Army Division, discovered and confiscated five one-pound blocks of explosives north of Ramadi.

During sweeps of Karmah, troops from the 1st Iraqi Intervention Force's 1st Battalion, 4th Brigade, and coalition forces discovered and confiscated four weapons caches.

The first cache, found north of Karmah, included cans of black gunpowder, a rifle and about 120,000 primer caps.

The other three caches, found south of Karmah, included 71 82 mm mortar rounds, 13 61 mm mortar rounds, a 122 mm rocket, seven 120 mm mortar rounds, 600 mortar fuses and other various bomb-making materials.

In the skies over Iraq, coalition aircraft flew 55 close-air-support missions Nov. 29. These missions included support to coalition troops, infrastructure protection, reconstruction activities, and operations to deter and disrupt terrorist activities. Coalition aircraft also supported Iraqi and coalition ground forces focused on creating a secure environment for the Dec. 15 parliamentary elections.

U.S. Navy F/A-18s performed a successful air strike near Baghdad, expending a Maverick missile against a building used by terrorists. Air Force F-16s also provided close-air support to coalition troops in contact with insurgents near Hawijah and Miqdadiyah.

Seven U.S. Air Force, U.S. Navy, and Royal Australian Air Force intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft also flew missions in support of operations in Iraq.

(Compiled from Multinational Security Transition Command Iraq and U.S. Central Command Air Forces Forward news releases.)


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gnfi; iraqi; kill; man; procoalition; soldiers; take; tried; troops; weapon; who

1 posted on 11/30/2005 5:21:13 PM PST by SandRat
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To: 2LT Radix jr; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; 80 Square Miles; A Ruckus of Dogs; acad1228; AirForceMom; ..

Good War News You Can Trust.


2 posted on 11/30/2005 5:21:43 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

White phosphorous is a completely legitimate marking tool but Iraq is not the right place to use it as an offensive weapon directly on people since we are trying to distinguish our tactics from Saddam's. It also ok to use it to burn buildings.


3 posted on 11/30/2005 5:28:51 PM PST by gondramB ( A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul)
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To: gondramB

We should always make sure the terrorists have taken refuge in buildings before we use white phosphorus to burn the building they are in.


4 posted on 11/30/2005 5:32:31 PM PST by RTINSC (What, Me Worry?..My company offers French benefits...)
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To: gondramB

I'm sorry. Who said anything about willy pete?


5 posted on 11/30/2005 5:33:01 PM PST by SquirrelKing (I'm not mean, you're just a sissy.)
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To: RTINSC

"We should always make sure the terrorists have taken refuge in buildings before we use white phosphorus to burn the building they are in."

Exactly. There is no ban on using chemicals to start fires but only on chemical weapons directed at people.


6 posted on 11/30/2005 5:33:59 PM PST by gondramB ( A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul)
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To: SandRat

Surely this is worthy of a Darwin Award!


7 posted on 11/30/2005 5:35:37 PM PST by karlito
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To: SquirrelKing

"I'm sorry. Who said anything about willy pete?"

Actually, I'm sorry - that was me being an idiot and posting to the wrong thread... this darn Firefox lets me have 10 tabs open at once and sometimes I get lost.


8 posted on 11/30/2005 5:35:54 PM PST by gondramB ( A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul)
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To: gondramB
No problemo. Thought I'd gone nuts.

Actually made me read the article, though. =)

9 posted on 11/30/2005 5:41:40 PM PST by SquirrelKing (I'm not mean, you're just a sissy.)
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To: gondramB

Aren't bombs chemical weapons?


10 posted on 11/30/2005 6:01:47 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

"Aren't bombs chemical weapons?"
I fell bad enough for having the hijacked this thread this much already.


But since you asked, yes, of course the explosive is chemical but itakes more than that to be a chemical weapon under the treaty.. The Chemical weapons treaty is in 722 parts and I won't pretend to understand it all but this seems to be the working defiinition.

" 1.

A toxic chemical and its precursors, except where intended for purposes not prohibited under the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), provided that the type and quantity are consistent with such purposes;
2.

A munition or device, specifically designed to cause death or other harm through the toxic properties of those toxic chemicals specified in paragraph (1) of this definition, which would be released as a result of the employment of such munition or device; or
3.

Any equipment specifically designed for use directly in connection with the employment of munitions or devices specified in paragraph (2) of this definition. "

So while white phosphorous is toxic, its not the toxic propertuies that are relvent here and the army has a good point about their legality. My point was that if we can do it without putting our troops lives at risk, we oughtto avoiud the appearence of using chemicals directy on humans as weapons to seperate us from Sadaam's tactics.


http://www.cwc.gov/Regulations/cfr-15/part-710_html


11 posted on 11/30/2005 6:10:30 PM PST by gondramB ( A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul)
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To: gondramB

Do you care which chemical reaction causes your death when your dead?


12 posted on 11/30/2005 6:35:40 PM PST by Raycpa
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Troops from the Iraqi army's 3rd Battalion, 1st Brigade, 7th Division, killed a man Nov. 29 after he tried to take a soldier's weapon near Ramadi, Iraq, military officials reported. Soldiers fired on the military-aged man after he refused to open his trunk during a vehicle search and went for a soldier's weapon.

Iraqi and coalition forces detained several insurgents and seized weapons caches Nov. 29 during operations throughout Iraq.

Iraqi police detained three men fleeing the scene of a rocket attack on a high school near Musayyib.

13 posted on 11/30/2005 6:59:49 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Raycpa

"Do you care which chemical reaction causes your death when your dead?"

If you think about that treaty histoically, in WW1 the killing was on such a large scale that the world was horrified and apparently the perception was that soldiers injured or killed by chemical weapons suffered more than their counterparts who were shot.

I'm not sure that would be true with most modern chemical weapons. I'd much rather be nerve gassed and die in 5 seconds than to get shot in the stomach.


14 posted on 11/30/2005 7:00:54 PM PST by gondramB ( A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul)
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To: Calpernia; SandRat; ASA Vet
Soldiers fired on the military-aged man after he refused to open his trunk during a vehicle search and went for a soldier's weapon.

His last mistake...

The IA is becoming a force to be reckoned with over here. But reading the news, you'd never know this...

15 posted on 12/01/2005 2:50:24 AM PST by Old Sarge (In a Hole in the Ground, there Lived a Fobbit...)
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To: SandRat

BTTT


16 posted on 12/01/2005 3:01:15 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Old Sarge
>>>But reading the news, you'd never know this...

Ahem....the news is now reported at sites like FR and blogs :)

MSM is nothing more than daytime soaps.

17 posted on 12/01/2005 4:41:41 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: gondramB

I thought it mighta been me.....whew, sure glad I'm not loosin' it :-) . Thanks for being honest and fessin' up.


18 posted on 12/01/2005 4:48:36 AM PST by halfright (3 Days post Hanoi (Jihadi) Jane... 2200hrs meeting to urinate on her grave...Semper Fi !)
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