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To: Claud
they do not deserve paradise

And yet another reason why I'm an EX-Catholic.

4 posted on 11/29/2005 3:47:22 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Nobody deserves paradise except through the merits of Christ.


5 posted on 11/29/2005 3:49:04 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: mtbopfuyn

"And yet another reason why I'm an EX-Catholic."


Yippeee!


13 posted on 11/29/2005 3:53:05 PM PST by takbodan (.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

The Church would do well to drop the concept of papal infallibility next. Amazing how that lingers in official doctrine, no matter how many pronouncements of various past popes get neutralized.


21 posted on 11/29/2005 3:58:45 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: mtbopfuyn
Now hang on a minute!!!!

The Church is now realizing the error of their ways in regards to this. So you might be glad, even as an ex-Catholic, to know that. Every time I look the Church is fixing itself in various ways (click here, for example).

I can only say Hooray! and Praise God!

34 posted on 11/29/2005 4:11:39 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: mtbopfuyn

So, let me get this straight....If "limbo" is dropped from Catholic theology, that means that the Catholic Church has been in error about this teaching for some 7+ centuries....Which prompts the question: what else does the church teach that's in error?


44 posted on 11/29/2005 4:15:50 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
If "limbo" were a dogma which implied any pain, punishment or deprivation of the souls of unbaptized infants and children, I'd see your point.

What so many people don't understand is that:

(1) limbo was never a "dogma," it was a speculation about a question that didn't seem to have a definitive answer. It was some theologians' way of saying, "Well, God is just, and this is what we think could be a just solution: eternal natural happiness of the innocent children."

(2) It implied no pain or punishment, but an eternal fulfillment of the childrens' natural capacities for satisfaction.

The idea was, they can't endure the Beatific Vision because they haven't been "born again," but simply as beings possessing a human nature, they could enjoy an eternity of natural joys.

It's a speculative idea, but not a bad idea.

It doesn't seem like anything to leave the Church about--- not if you understand that the Church was founded by Christ as a key part of His salvation plan for you and for the whole world.

65 posted on 11/29/2005 4:28:07 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Credo in Unam, Sanctam, Catholicam et Apostolicam Ecclesiam.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
And yet another reason why I'm an EX-Catholic.

I wonder if God still hears the crying of all the kiddies he killed in the flood.

158 posted on 11/29/2005 5:22:07 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Once a Catholic always a Catholic. You can come back at any time. You are always welcome.


266 posted on 11/29/2005 8:05:32 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: mtbopfuyn
And yet another reason why I'm an EX-Catholic.

Im not catholic but I agree not one man save Christ deserves Paradise!

440 posted on 11/30/2005 10:48:00 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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