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1 posted on 11/29/2005 5:25:05 AM PST by conservativecorner
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Whaaaa!!!! He is NOT doing what I WANT! WHAAAAA! Same song 10,000th verse.,Can the Whine all the Time Choir find something else to whine about yet?


2 posted on 11/29/2005 5:26:31 AM PST by MNJohnnie (McCain is not only wrong, he is dangerous to your Rights)
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To: conservativecorner
George Bush failed to address the problem appropriately yesterday, but this isn't strictly a George Bush issue. There is absolutely no willingness on the part of either political party to crack down on illegal immigration. There are simply too many votes to be had in the Hispanic community.

Our legal residents are opposed to illegal immigration; the real driver are the corporate political contributions from those who benefit from cheap illegal labor. It is these companies and their officers who should be investigated, fined, and convicted, and jailed.
3 posted on 11/29/2005 5:29:00 AM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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I believe there is another reason why he wants Amnesty for these lawbreakers....wish I could figure out his real angle.


4 posted on 11/29/2005 5:29:58 AM PST by Fawn (Try not---do or do not. ~~ Yoda)
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To: conservativecorner

Presidnet's ?


11 posted on 11/29/2005 5:34:53 AM PST by Valin (Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum)
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If the GOP want's votes that's fine BUT they better think, which is better their loyal base (which got them elected) or pandering to the illegals? Will it REALLY be worth it if red states suddenly turn purple? Or is it NOT the choice of the entire GOP just President's Bush's idea for his FAILED plan?
16 posted on 11/29/2005 5:38:34 AM PST by stopem (Get yourTexas Trash.( on my homepage.))
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What will Congress pass? Is Congress divided on this issue?
Is half a loaf better than no loaf?


17 posted on 11/29/2005 5:38:48 AM PST by RTINSC (What, Me Worry?..My company offers French benefits...)
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To: conservativecorner; Ace of Spades; saganite; ARCADIA; TXBSAFH; SJSAMPLE
Oh yeah this constant 100% hyper criticism of our own side really helps move the agenda. But that right! The Whine all the Time Choir thinks it "helps" by doing the Democrats PR dirty work 100% of the time. Gee I can see that Bush should really want to "Go to war" with the Democrats when his army spend ALL their time shooting at him instead of the enemy.

Most of us Freepers are beginning to wonder just who's side the 100% Complainers REALLY are on??????

22 posted on 11/29/2005 5:42:25 AM PST by MNJohnnie (McCain is not only wrong, he is dangerous to your Rights)
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Pat Buchannan failed. When will these folks get over it.


25 posted on 11/29/2005 5:43:31 AM PST by Raycpa
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Illegals are subsidized labor -- subsidized by the taxpayers who end up paying their health care, social services and educational benefits.

The main beneficiary is businesses who force the taxpayers to subsizide illegals by paying the illegals' health care, social services and educational benefits.


28 posted on 11/29/2005 5:46:20 AM PST by TomGuy
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The President's policy is a "pig in the poke". Note that Harry Reid and Ted "The Swimmer" Kennedy support it. The big question is how we get rid of those who overstay their work visas? I'm sure there will be no way to boot the "poor unfortunates" as their roots will be established and the pols will never force them back.


41 posted on 11/29/2005 5:51:30 AM PST by KenmcG414
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Yeah yeah yeah. Same old song we have heard daily for 24 months. I am beginning to believe that there simply is NOTHING anyone can do. No matter what is done the Whine all the Time Choir simply moves on to the next thing to whine about. Sorry "Critical Thinking" is NOT the same thing as being 100% critical of your own side. Sorry if the rest of us Freepers are NOT interested in joining the 100%ers in their desperation to be politically irrelevant. But I realize their feeling good about their Ideological Purity is more important then actually GETTING things done.
42 posted on 11/29/2005 5:51:37 AM PST by MNJohnnie (McCain is not only wrong, he is dangerous to your Rights)
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Bush's whole premise for this is that we need these workers to do the jobs Americans won't do.

Take away the welfare handouts from the able bodied Americans and they'll take the jobs. Total BS to coddle these no good parasites living off the rest of us.

I have no problem helping Americans who can't work due to a true disability through no fault of their own. But these people that continue to game the system need to be thrown out of it. Secure the borders, cut off the unneccessay give aways, then we can talk guest worker program.....Off my soapbox now.

47 posted on 11/29/2005 5:54:22 AM PST by b4its2late (If quizzes are quizzical, what are tests?)
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There is something wrong with the idea of celebrating lower home prices when those lower prices are brought with disrespect for the laws of our country.
52 posted on 11/29/2005 5:57:59 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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Bush is a ruptured duck for the next three years.


60 posted on 11/29/2005 6:02:57 AM PST by cynicom
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How can you give a long speech on the mexican border and not say the word "wall" one time?


63 posted on 11/29/2005 6:04:38 AM PST by austinite
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If Bush proposed to Congress- "1. Immediately round up all illegals and deport them 2. Build a 2000 mile fence along the border 3. Immediately Prosecute all employers who have illegals in their employ

What would happen in Congress? This seems to be the outcome many want, so how does it happen this way in reality? Critics of Bush's plan should have the solution.


64 posted on 11/29/2005 6:06:18 AM PST by RTINSC (What, Me Worry?..My company offers French benefits...)
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Illegal immigration is a huge problem. It's one of the most important issues facing our country right now.

It needs to be addressed, but idiots like Neal Boortz who apparently can't do basic math are undermining the effort.

It's really simple. We have a huge number of illegal immigrants working in the country right now, yet our unemployment rate is still low.

If we deport all the illegal immigrants and do not repolce them with legal workers, we're going to devastate a protion of our economy and drive up inflation.

We need to strictly enforce immigration laws.

We need to secure our border as best we can.

We need to cut of entitlements to illegal aliens.

However, as that is happening, but not before it happens, we need to increase the number of immigrants legally allowed into the country.

It can be called an increase in work visas, or a guest worker program, or whatever makes people happy with the name.

In order to discourage illegal immigration during the process of getting this law passed and implemented, it needs to require that people only be allowed to apply from their home countries, or from a country they are legally in at the time, such as someone in the US on a student visa.

This also works to not reward those who broke the law and came here illegally.

Such a program should only be phased in as we se results from immigration inforcement efforts, that's going to be difficult to do well.

While politicians as a whole aren't the brightest bunch, they understand that nothing will get them put out of office faster than a bad economy, and it's very obvious that strong enforcement of immigration laws without an increase in legal immigration will harm our economy.

It's going to be very difficult to force congress to increase border security and enforce immigration laws. It won't happen unless it's also tied to a program to provide enough legal immigration to fulfill our needs (but not too many which will drive up unemployment).


82 posted on 11/29/2005 6:24:04 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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RE: There is absolutely no willingness on the part of either political party to crack down on illegal immigration.

Here's proof IMO.

There have been a tiny number of articles about an aspect of ILLEGAL immigration that IMO absolutely enables the identification of virtually all ILLEGAL aliens and their employers.

The individual taxpayer identification number (ITIN) for example. A Clinton IRS invention, I believe, which was established in 1996 to let people get around SSN-based LEGAL employment. (Ain't that just like the Clintons?) Estimates go as high as nine million people working with ITINs.

It enables people who cannot get SSNs to work (legal or not, more Clinton stuff) and pay taxes. I've read that the IRS / SSA will not tell immigration officials who all have ITINs.

Here's a solution. It's cheap and can be done is seconds I bet. Cancel the ITINs.

But that begs the question, what happens when nine million people stop paying taxes? The same question arises when those same nine million are deported, BTW. Then what?

Wages will rise. It will take time but those jobs will be filled -- and, there will be a rational "guest worker" plan for the remaining jobs that definitely will not be amnesty.

84 posted on 11/29/2005 6:24:23 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Move over Henny Youngman.. please! "The most trusted news source." CNN)
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Mexicans aren't here to do the jobs that Americans won't do. They're here to do those jobs for a lot less money. Simply the bottom line.

The cost of living in the U.S. has gone too high due to union greed and managerial laziness.

90 posted on 11/29/2005 6:29:30 AM PST by stboz
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Oh, no! Oh, no! Our President has deserted us and all that it means to be an American, and we are DOOMED! DOOMED, I say! He says things that mean two different things to the partisan members of our posse, and the posse sets to fighting among itself!

The problem was allowed to grow by increments and neglect for years, and when it comes time to weed out the garden, the productive plants cannot be distinguished from the pests and weeds. The brutal answer would be similar to how the French kicked out the Protestants (Huguenots) in 1685, by a royal proclamation backed up with an extensive persecution of the few who did not or would not comply by scramming for Holland, Ireland, Sweden and the various German-language principalities. France was "purified" but the stage was set for the French Revolution, the Napoleonic empire, and eventually retreat and surrender by France from everywhere in the world. Is this what we want for America?

The LEGAL immigrants from the south have been an asset to this country, and for this they should be respected. What is their opinion on the illegal swarm that comes boiling like locusts, day after day, across a largely undefended border? That the native-born, integrated, ENGLISH-SPEAKING Hispanics are being pushed aside for the foreign-born, culturally isolated, and functionally illiterate underclass.

The same arguments were made against the Greeks, and the Italians, and even, for many years, the Germans who came swarming to the New World. The Irish were something of an exception, because they already sort of understood the cultural traditions, and spoke a sort of English already.

But none of these groups came in the numbers that the flood from Mexico now presents in our midst. Another possibility would be to simply annex Mexico, take over their governmental functions and convert them to the American model, and develop the natural resources of Mexico so the country is self-supporting, and won't HAVE to continuously export their excess and restive population.

Consider the plight in which Mexico finds itself. So far from God, and so close to the United States.


98 posted on 11/29/2005 6:32:15 AM PST by alloysteel
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