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Bush Vows Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants
Denver Rocky Mountain News ^ | Nov 28, 2005 11:09 PM EST | Nedra Pickler (A.P.)

Posted on 11/28/2005 8:20:45 PM PST by Graybeard58

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To: Graybeard58
President Bush said Monday he wants to crack down on those who enter the country illegally

We keep hearing these promises that action will be taken after the amnesty program takes effect.

President Bush: we love you, but please...no more. Take action on the illegals we have now and quit trying to act like you're throwing us a bone. We're tired of being faked out.

21 posted on 11/28/2005 8:40:29 PM PST by Prime Choice (Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Quick, bring me my varmint gun.
22 posted on 11/28/2005 8:40:43 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Graybeard58

Quit TALKING platitudes, Mr. President and DO SOMETHING concrete about it.


23 posted on 11/28/2005 8:41:01 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Graybeard58

Talk is cheap Senor Presidente....


24 posted on 11/28/2005 8:42:50 PM PST by rolling_stone (Question Authority!)
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To: jokar

????????????

It most certainly is not foolish.
Did you ever get a parking ticket? Did they give you AMNESTY? Was your slight trespass anywheres near as significant as jumping across a border and falsifying documents?

Besides, Bush has NO BUSINESS proposing legislation. His job is to ENFORCE THE LAWS AS WRITTEN.

If he wants to run for Congress, more power to him. I just hope if he does get to Congress that he can then stop talking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time.


25 posted on 11/28/2005 8:44:19 PM PST by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
and place them in a special income tax bracket
What type of 'special income tax bracket' do you recommend?
26 posted on 11/28/2005 8:44:25 PM PST by DancesWithBolsheviks (This space for rent.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

=== Bush is simply not the type of person who advocates rounding up illegals and returning them home en masse. That's just reality. ====

There is a way to get illegals to voluntarily leave the country.

1) Declare that you are going to increase the number of worker visas and immigration slots
2) Declare that ANYONE caught illegally in the country will automatically be denied a worker visa or immigration slot for 10 years.

Then, long as we are at it.

Require English proficiency for citizenship
Get rid of the "Born in USA" anchor baby clause


27 posted on 11/28/2005 8:44:53 PM PST by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: Paloma_55

How about taxing money transfers to mexico at a rate of 30 to 50%. If they wish to take money home they can hand carry it.


28 posted on 11/28/2005 8:54:43 PM PST by axes_of_weezles (mainstream extremist (Ha))
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Here's one of the obvious holes in Bush's plan.

We have a family of five, the parents of which are here illegaly. Okay, mom and dad get a work permit and begin their six years.

During the six years they invest in a home, their children develop friendships, the family develops ties to friends, the church... At then end of six years these folks are going to be so solidy entrenched here, that it will be impossible to uproot them and demand they leave. That's what our leaders are counting on.

At this point they get another six year permit, and they're essentially U.S. citizens by proxy. At the end of six or twelve years, there's simply no way these folks are going to be forced out.

Okay, this is reality. This is what is going to happen to the illegals here today. That's bad enough IMO, but what's next? The President stated today that he wants more work visas, more green cards that lead to citizenship AND more work permits. Anotherwords, three programs that lead to many more foreign nationals coming here legally, are going to be implemented or expanded.

And when the expirations for those new programs come, it is my perception that none of the people under any of the three of these programs will be asked to leave.

We're on the fast track to half a billion people in this nation, and a sea change of societal termoil that will make what we've experience up to now, seem like child's play.


29 posted on 11/28/2005 8:55:02 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Those who are here illegally will have no choice but to sign up and register if they want to work in this country.

This is a joke isn't it? I mean what they do now is not legal, so if they don't sign, are you saying it's going to be even more illegal. Just who is going to enforce this pie in the sky statement?

30 posted on 11/28/2005 8:57:19 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: GarySpFc
So you want to give them a fast track over those who have been attempting to come here legally for many years?

Not at all. I guess if they have to go to the "back of the line" behind those attempting to enter legally, you might as well call it deportation.

My family has had first-hand experience with the system, it's FUBAR.

31 posted on 11/28/2005 8:59:33 PM PST by DTogo (Merry CHRISTmas, and a healthy & happy New Year!)
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To: org.whodat

But then it will be double secret illegal.


32 posted on 11/28/2005 9:00:41 PM PST by DancesWithBolsheviks (This space for rent.)
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To: Nachum

I'm sorry Mr. President...fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice....

I'm not buying this enforcement crap.


33 posted on 11/28/2005 9:02:13 PM PST by Fledermaus (Don't Ever Make Our Constituents Realize Any Truth)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
But IMO, most illegals will meekly leave after their term is up and get in line if they want citizenship

What makes you think they will be inclined to meekly leave?
34 posted on 11/28/2005 9:04:19 PM PST by steel_resolve
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To: DoughtyOne

Why should they care? They see cheap labor, illegal votes and all the "cost" is the burden of taxpayers in ever increasing budgets for "essential government services" that can never be cut even from a 6.3% increase in one year to a 6.2% increase lest some liberal whiner, like I saw Alan Colmes actually do, complain aobut those .1% that would "suffer and maybe die".

The lack of debate about reality in this country is gone.


35 posted on 11/28/2005 9:04:52 PM PST by Fledermaus (Don't Ever Make Our Constituents Realize Any Truth)
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To: Graybeard58

Disappointing at best.


36 posted on 11/28/2005 9:05:33 PM PST by Tarpon
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To: Fledermaus
At least at the leadership level, you're correct.

As for who's paying for this, you're right there too, and no they don't really give a fig. They triangulate us every four years and we continue to be their little guinea pigs five days per week so we can participate on April 15th.
37 posted on 11/28/2005 9:16:38 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
But even the most die-hard supporter of defending the borders has to concede that there has to be some type of rigid, strict temporary guest-worker program here. Give the illegals who are currently here a biometric Federal I.D. that expires after two years, and place them in a special income tax bracket.

I don't concede that. There is no need for guest workers and our poorest citizens don't need their wages held down and jobs taken by these so-called guests.

38 posted on 11/28/2005 9:21:19 PM PST by Jim_Curtis (Torture works)
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To: Jim_Curtis

When we have 2% unemployment and 2% Welfare, THEN THINK about increasing work visa's.

Why can't lazy ass Joe white guy work in the fields?

Why can't fata$$ alice work as a maid in a motel?

Get them OFF WELFARE and MAKE THEM WORK.

I would even support a part welfare supplement payment for welfare receipants who take low paying jobs.


39 posted on 11/28/2005 9:41:26 PM PST by bigj00
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To: rolling_stone
You bet. I was a Bushie for a long spell. NO more!
I am dusting off my Independent ballot -- and reserving judgement. No more straight Pubbie ticket punching for me!

The guy is really out in left field on this -- and other critical issues.

And, further, I am not really sure in my mind that El Presidente really understands the depth and magnitude of the Islamic threat to western Civilization.

for dead sure, he has not chosen to effectively convey the message. and, his efforts are really 18 months late!

A very shabby performance in basic marketing, that "W" should have learned at Harvard. It is obvious that Hughes is really MIA! Or, that her capabilities were vastly overrated.
40 posted on 11/28/2005 9:43:13 PM PST by dk/coro
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