[PeteB570]

I think the Jews should tell Europe and the EU to go pound sand then build a bigger fence and stop all trafficking with the Palies. Tell them (Palies)to grow their own food or eat sand.

Just my opinion.

[JAWs]

I am so with the author on the MDA issue. Personally, it's an insulting compromise that I would have accepted only if it followed with a long list of ICRC mea culpas. But it is a start and the MDA can get things changed tomorrow.

[Sabramerican]

Seems recently not a day goes by when some capitulation by Israel doesn't sicken me.

[Radix]

Israel gives them Gaza, they give a postage stamp.

Hey, look on the bright side, I read that the cost of stamps was going up again soon.

[sure_fine]

AJC Praises Agreement of Israeli, Palestinian Relief Societies

11/28/2005 5:56:00 PM

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To: National and International Desk

Contact: Kenneth Bandler of the American Jewish Committee, 212-891-6771 or bandlerk@ajc.org; Web: http://www.ajc.org

NEW YORK, Nov. 28 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The American Jewish Committee welcomed today's agreement, signed in Geneva, between Magen David Adom and the Palestinian Red Crescent.

"This is a further boost to Israeli-Palestinian relations, which we trust will enhance still further the likelihood of Magen David Adom gaining formal international recognition," said AJC Executive Director David A. Harris.

The Israeli-Palestinian agreement comes one week before a Diplomatic Conference in Geneva that is expected to adopt a third humanitarian relief emblem, in the shape of a crystal, for the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies. If adopted, the Israeli Red Shield of David could be placed in the middle of the crystal.

"The crystal is a creative solution," said Harris. "Those nations driven by political considerations should drop their opposition to the MDA's full membership in the Federation, and join with the majority in adopting the third emblem for the universal, impartial, non-political movement."

For more than 56 years, Israel's humanitarian emblem, the Red Shield of David, has been the only symbol rejected by the Federation. "Israel's national relief society understandably refused to operate under the banner of the cross or of the crescent, choosing instead the ancient symbol of the Jewish people," said Harris.

AJC praised the Swiss government for taking the initiative to mediate today's Israeli-Palestinian agreement, as well as to invite all States party to the Geneva Conventions to gather in Geneva for a Diplomatic Conference to consider the third emblem.

AJC has been in the forefront of international advocacy on behalf of MDA's admission to the Federation. In 1999, AJC launched a letter writing and ad campaign to bring attention to the anomaly of excluding MDA, and has since raised the issue regularly with the International Committee of the Red Cross, as well as with governments around the world. In recent weeks, AJC sent letters to the ambassadors of countries around the world encouraging their participation in the December 5 conference and urging their support for the new emblem.

http://www.usnewswire.com/

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[JohnLongIsland]

i don't think you will find too many fans of the red cross on this board.

[Vicomte13]

As a secular state, Israel is doomed.

The only thing that made people crazy enough to actually WANT to go flooding into a desert filled with Arabs was the religious belief in Israel, in particular, as The Promised Land.

Take that away, and make the land just land where Jews just happen to live (now), and where they just want to make secular peace and prosper from mercantile activities...and you have eliminated the only real fire there ever was for inspiring anybody to bother to move there.

Israel as JUST a secular ethnic enclave of immigrant Jews is a pretty contemptible thing, really nothing more than the last European colony. If the claim for the land is not religious (in which case the claim covers those lands being given up), then the Jews have got no claim to Israel at all.

With their religion intact, Jews are noble creatures, chosen, to be a light to the nations.

But without their religion, Jews are just another contemptible, land-grasping Middle Eastern tribe.

Without their religion, they lose their respectability, and they lose any claim on folks like me to give a damn about them.

With the Jewish religion intact, Israel is a restoration.
Without a keen sense of religious duty, as a mere secular state, Israel is just a Western colony that's too expensive to bother keeping. Nobody is interesting in paying billions in aid for an ethnic Semitic amusement park surrounded by barbed wire. A waste of time and money to Gentiles.

But if Israel is the modern incarnation of Judaism as a God-worshipping religion - then it's claim is millennial and worth standing by and struggling for.

Israel as a religious dream: that needs to be watered and nutured and protected.
Israel as a secular enclave for white colonists from Europe and America with a common ethnicity? Cut it off and let it die. Semites have no claim to colonial rights any more than Anglo-Saxons do. Without their religion, Jews are nothing.

[familyop]

Symbols representative of the sun and the moon prevail? What's the world coming to?

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[Cicero]

In case anyone is curious what a "red crystal" looks like:

[wideawake]

Absolutely disgusting.

And think of all the money the Red Cross raked in from generous American supporters of Israel during the Katrina disaster.

It drives me nuts that I have to be so careful in checking and doublechecking when I give my money to so-called "charities" like the Red Cross and the United Way, among many, many others.

[Sender]

Even though the American Red Cross has been good to me, this peculiar behavior by the International Red Deity Symbols is puzzling.

The origins of the cross and the crescent are as clear as day. So what's wrong with the star of David as a symbol?

I wonder if they are also considering similar changes to the Red Plus Sign and the Red Circle Segment?

In my understanding, the desire to help humanity from the Red Deity Symbols is openly due to...the will of God, or Allah, or YHWH as you please. This crystal business is ridiculous, unless we're talking about Satan's humanitarian organization.

[Preachin']

"The fact that the Jews have to drop the symbol that represents their nation, their people, their history and their land, because the Red Cross and Red Crescent so demand it, well, that’s really a small price to pay."

But it's no issue to ask the Red Cross to drop theirs?

Since Jesus is a Jew, the cross is about as Jewish as one can get.

[AmishDude]

They were better off not being a part of the IRC. What a detestible bunch.

[reelfoot]

Sadly, I see the same thing happening to Israel as happened to South Africa. The world joined in a boycott of South Africa to bring it to its knees when it said it needed separation to survive as a European-style nation. Israel, likewise, must maintain a strong defense and territorial integrity to survive the constant threat of the Palestinian/Arab peoples who seek to destroy them and take their land. Increasingly, it seems the world (even the U.S.) is siding with the Palestinians against Israel. (Don't misunderstand me: I don't argue a perfect analogy between S.A. and Israel, only the lonely struggle of each against world opinion.)

My hope is that future American administrations will not demand that Israel surrender land and otherwise capitulate to its enemies. However, if and when foreign countries (including the U.S.) do demand such surrender, that Israel will tell them to "stick it".

Just some random thoughts from one goy who wishes the best for Israel and the Jews.