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The Savage Nation vs. the Bushbots
www.homestead.com ^ | 7/21/05 | PAUL MULSHINE

Posted on 11/28/2005 5:03:33 PM PST by mastercylinder

Edited on 11/28/2005 5:07:49 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Al Franken and the other liberals are probably still wondering why they had such little luck in their efforts to start a talk-radio network to bash George Bush from the left. They didn't consider the obvious explanation. George Bush has his left flank nicely covered. It's on the right that he's weak.

That is the theory of Michael Savage. Savage is the most right-wing of the right-wing talkers on the national airwaves at the moment. He is based in San Francisco, but he can be heard in the New York area on WOR in the evenings. He is a welcome change from those Karl Rove clones Hush Bimbo and Sean Vanity.

"Hush Bimbo" and "Sean Vanity" are the names Savage has pinned on Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity of WABC. In doing so, he has sparked a war between the members of his "Savage Nation" (slogan: "Borders, language, culture") and the so-called "Bushbots," that sizable number of gullible Americans who can be convinced that whatever policy Bush adopts is a conservative policy.

"What makes Bush a conservative?" Savage asked when I got him on the phone the other day. "On the economy, Bush has got more governmental workers than anybody before him. He's ballooned the government."

As regards the so-called "war on terror," Savage points out that you can't win a war when you're afraid even to name the enemy.

"He's never mentioned Islamofascism," said Savage.

No, he hasn't. Even the French have been more willing to defend their borders, language and culture than Bush. He's a multiculturalist and a mushy one at that. Instead of reducing the reach of Islamic fundamentalism, Bush has managed in Iraq to get 1,700 Americans killed in a war that will create yet another Islamic republic. Just yesterday we learned that the new constitution in Iraq will incorporate sharia, Islamic law.

That's why we right-wing commentators believe the Iraq war has been the biggest blunder in America's military history. As for Bimbo and Vanity, if I may employ Savage's labels, they are simply too uneducated to realize that the Iraq war represents a failed liberal exercise in nation-building.

"There is no college in Rush. There is no college in Hannity," said Savage. "He's a high school dropout. It's like listening to an uneducated, unthinking man on the radio."

Savage has a Ph.D. from Berkeley in epidemiology, an extremely challenging field. That makes him a bit overqualified for the verbal pro-wrestling matches that make up talk radio. But it also makes him interesting.

The Bushbots don't think so. On their Web sites, they call Savage a bigot and a racist, two terms the employment of which generally indicate that the speaker is losing an argument. Savage is a hero on those Web sites that attack Bush's open-borders approach to immigration. "Rush Limbaugh is a direct link to his president, El Traitor, Senor Bush," wrote one blogger. "The invasion by illegals has been going on now for a long time."

"You are 100 percent correct," said another of Limbaugh and Hannity. "They are nothing but blind, rubber-stamping followers of El Presidente Bush."

All of this is a lot of fun if you don't take it seriously. I certainly don't. But I do find talk radio to be a good barometer of the nation's mood. And the nation is slowly figuring out that the Bush-neoconservative-Troskyite- internationalist view of foreign affairs has not worked out so swimmingly for the good old U.S. of A.

"Bush is melting down our borders and making us into a polyglot nation in which no one speaks the language," says Savage.

Savage hears a lot from people who say that any criticism of Bush is a mark of disloyalty to conservatism.

"I can't stand listening to people who want me to be a lapdog for Bush," he told me. "We're supposed to be watchdogs, not lapdogs."

As for the rest of the radio talkers, "They may as well work for the Republican Party. There's nothing interesting if you can predict what a man's going to say by just going to the GOP Web site."

He's certainly got that right. Listening to an endless rehash of Karl Rove's talking points, leavened by a few Teddy Kennedy-is-a-drunk jokes, is not very entertaining.

As for the Al Franken approach, how can a nation-building, internationalist multiculturalist get any traction by criticizing another nation-building, internationalist multiculturalist? John Kerry had that problem as well, you might have noticed.

When you attack the Bush-Rove spin from the right, however, you realize that the neocons' grand social experiment has been tried most visibly in Iraq and has failed most visibly there. People are starting to notice. Eventually even the Bushbots may get a clue.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bush; bushbot; duplicatepost; hehasitright; kook; savage; talkradio; weinerbots
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To: Clemenza

Hahahah! He's got my vote!

I think the disconnect between the members of the Savage Nation, and the inhabitants of the rest of the planet, is that his fans realize that 'Michael Savage' is a character that Michael Weiner portrays for three hours a day, 5x a week. When I realized a lot of the antics were part of the show, I appreciated the show a lot more.


61 posted on 11/28/2005 5:37:08 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: NorCalRepub

Then how do you react to the comments by Hannity or Limbaugh who also make good comments at times but then do this "lapdog" routine of spinning the latest weak liberal move by the GOP and making excuses for soft, weak, flacid and anti-American moves by the Bush administration? What's the difference? The difference to me is that Savage is far more serious about the serious issues, and tells it the way it is. Hannity would rather giggle about some dumb thing or plug his TV show or book, and Limbaugh has always walked on thin ice with any criticism of the GOP. Savage is the only honest one among the three because he holds Republicans accountable for their leftist ways.


62 posted on 11/28/2005 5:37:18 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: jdm
That may be what irks me the most about Savage. He seems so jealous of Rush, Hannity, Laura and the other more successful conservative talk show hosts.

Rush and Hannity and William Bennett, Laura, and all the conservative hosts have been going after Bush for too much spending, poor border control and especially the previous nomination to the supreme court. They don't criticize each other and rarely even mention one another by choosing to focus on their own show. Savage is more a 5th column than someone I trust. I think he hurts conservatism more than helps. JMHO

63 posted on 11/28/2005 5:38:02 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: jveritas

Savage has been all over Able Danger (highlighting Weldon on his show on several occasions). Where is Bush and their cheerleaders on this important issue?

Yeah, he is a kook, but I'll give him props for this issue.


64 posted on 11/28/2005 5:38:39 PM PST by Stew Padasso ("That boy is nuttier than a squirrel turd.")
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To: fhlh
He is as far right as he used to be left. (Yes, he WAS one of the long-haired, barefoot, Kumbaya-singing, dope-smoking hippies of the 60's). Perhaps he thinks he is paying penance.
65 posted on 11/28/2005 5:39:09 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: mastercylinder
As regards the so-called "war on terror," Savage points out that you can't win a war when you're afraid even to name the enemy. "He's never mentioned Islamofascism," said Savage.

As mentioned, Bush actually did use the word last month, but I'd have to give that one to Bush. Does Hitchens's trendy journalistic formulation really add much to the discussion?

66 posted on 11/28/2005 5:41:32 PM PST by x
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To: Blood of Tyrants

ya.. I know he's a kook on some issues, but on others, I think he's spot on.


67 posted on 11/28/2005 5:42:51 PM PST by fhlh (Polls are for strippers and liberal spinsters.)
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To: Exton1
"Insults and personal attacks say nothing..."

You just described michael savage perfectly.

68 posted on 11/28/2005 5:42:53 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: airborne

This is one of the things I don't understand about people who trust their politicians.

I'm from Canada where politicians lie with a staight face during an election and the lies are brushed off with the wave of a lace hankerchief after they are in power.

If a politician lies outright to get elected by saying something then how much worse is it when they lie by saying nothing.

eg.

"I will do such and such even though I have no intention of doing so."

as opposed to

"Some say.....BUT NOT ME."


69 posted on 11/28/2005 5:45:36 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: mastercylinder
Michael Savage and Pat Buchanan drink their koolaid from the same cup.

As far as him versus Rush and Hannity, well, they don't like to fight battles of wit with unarmed men.

70 posted on 11/28/2005 5:46:00 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
I like all their underlying arguments as they all have conservative merits at heart.....but I hate the delivery sometimes.....Hannity I can't stand because he is a passive aggressive wimp....asking those "do you still beat you wife" questions...and Rush...well I tend to like him better then most because he is more likely to call Bush on his antics...and if you noticed, I said that Savage has some very good points...but when your delivery is more attuned to get attention, and is full of hatred at times, then many miss the message and focus how it was said.....a Catch 22 since you need to stand out....but many a conservative has disowned him at one time or another.....I DO NOT hate the man....just question his judgment and behavior when pontificating on it.... at least we have the same alma mater....*wink*
71 posted on 11/28/2005 5:47:29 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: Stew Padasso
Savage has been all over Able Danger (highlighting Weldon on his show on several occasions). Where is Bush and their cheerleaders on this important issue?

Not giving a one minute slobbering kiss of a speech on the House floor to John Murtha as Weldon did.

72 posted on 11/28/2005 5:48:07 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: jdm

You are Quoting "New Republic".


73 posted on 11/28/2005 5:48:48 PM PST by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
It might be different if Savage actually believed any of what he says, or if he managed to say it in a way that didn't make him come across as 100% unmitigated ass. He's talked himself into a corner trying desperately to gain a wider audience. If he truly believes what he spews, he's certifiable. If he doesn't, he's a hypocritical hack. His desperate gambit has failed. His audience didn't increase much, if at all, and he's alienated himself from all but the "eat nails and crap barbed wire" crowd. I guess he could be entertaining, though, in the same way people slow down when driving past car wrecks. Otherwise, he's a three hour mental breakdown, living on the lunatic fringe, and destined to stay there.
74 posted on 11/28/2005 5:49:26 PM PST by Jokelahoma (Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
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To: Stew Padasso

I have heard Rush and Hannity cover Able Danger - and probably bring a lot more attention to it than Savage - very thoroughly. Rush was the madest I have ever heard him, when this story first broke. He interview Weldon and spent a lot of time on it. That was before I heard it on Savage. That doesn't mean he was first. I rarely listen to Savage, anymore. He does some things well, but I can't listen to him too long. Maybe, I have too much College education and can pick out a blow hard when I hear him.


75 posted on 11/28/2005 5:49:40 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: jdm
"There is no college in Rush. He's a high school dropout. It's like listening to an uneducated, unthinking man on the radio."

Michael.... your envy is showing.

Rush may not be able to recite Plato from memory, but he's DAMN sure good at what he does. Kind of like a pro athlete who skipped college, went straight to the pros, and never looked back. Rush's grasp of economics is better than 99.9% of the general population, and better than all 535 elected representatives of the people who make our laws.

I've listened to both Rush and Savage, and I'll take Rush any day. Plus, Rush is sane.

76 posted on 11/28/2005 5:50:18 PM PST by Hardastarboard
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To: Dane

You noticed who his co-sponsor was the following Monday?

Murtha.


77 posted on 11/28/2005 5:51:08 PM PST by A.Hun (Liberal mantra: ""tell new lies, but keep the old.....one is silver and the other's gold")
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To: Hardastarboard

The difference is Limbaugh is a commentator voicing an opinion, savage is a merchant hawking a product.


78 posted on 11/28/2005 5:51:45 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: jveritas

Savage may be a kook, but it does not change the fact that President Bush is NOT very conservative.


79 posted on 11/28/2005 5:52:26 PM PST by Vasilli22 (http://www.richardfest.blogspot.com/)
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To: jveritas

Not hardly, Bushbot.

While I strongly disagree w/ Savage on the drug issue & his Yankee accent is as pleasureable to listen to as screeching fingernails across a chalkboard, Savage us RIGHT. It's nice to hear someone put President Bush in his place & show how much of a big-government internationalist he is.

Don't back down, Michael....KEEP IT UP!


80 posted on 11/28/2005 5:52:27 PM PST by libertyman (It's HIGH time to make marijuana legal AGAIN!)
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