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Live Thread - Anybody Watching W's Speech On Immigration - Only on Fox (Vanity)
Fox News Channel | 11/28/05 | Self

Posted on 11/28/2005 1:55:47 PM PST by TCats

They say better late than never but......


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; bush43; cz; davismonthanafb; heslyingagain; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationplan; term2; w; whatplan
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To: DarthVader
No kidding! It's embarrassing!
141 posted on 11/28/2005 2:30:40 PM PST by jackv (just shakin' my head)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

LOL, most likely true...


142 posted on 11/28/2005 2:30:56 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: Nan48

Up to the point where I had to walk away from the TV because of Bush's hypocrisy, I heard no apology for calling the Minutemen vigilantes, nor did I hear any commendation for the Minuteman Project's efforts on the border since April.

I doubt he will do anything to prosecute and fine his big business buddies who break the existing law by hiring illegal aliens.

Bush makes a big deal about last month signing authorization for 1,000 more border control agents, but Congress authorized the money for that quite some time ago, and he is just now enacting it.


143 posted on 11/28/2005 2:30:59 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: Spiff
Only a complete moron would believe that these millions of illegal alien "temporary guest workers" will suddenly uproot and go home after six years.

Or a complete liar, who knows better, but won't speak the truth.

144 posted on 11/28/2005 2:31:03 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: DoughtyOne

If I'm not mistaken, he said send them home first, then allow them to take care of the guest worker part.

We have to start somewhere.


145 posted on 11/28/2005 2:32:02 PM PST by A.Hun (Liberal mantra: ""tell new lies, but keep the old.....one is silver and the other's gold")
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To: pbrown

As am I. Why don't they just say to take jobs at a cheaper wage than our people will work for and allow executives of our corporations to earn their multi-million-dollar yearly bonuses for cost cutting.


146 posted on 11/28/2005 2:32:06 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: NorCalRepub

Prop 200 passed in Arizona and California (9th circuit) didnt have the GUTS to over rule the voters in another state as they did for you Cali folks.

Ever notice how RIGHT after they denied the suits against Prop 200 how states declared states of emergancy?

We have witnessed our final election where ILLEGAL immigration is not front and center.


147 posted on 11/28/2005 2:32:14 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: daybreakcoming
Can you give an example of that please? Like what kind of work at what kind of pay will an American not do? Are you talking entry level, semi-skilled, skilled, or just plain dirty work?

The market sets the price. That's an undeniable fact. But when you have government controls or unnatural markets which include illegal or third world cheap labor, the proven system starts to break down. If you pay enough, you'll find someone to do anything.

148 posted on 11/28/2005 2:32:26 PM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: jackv
It allows the people to remain for a limited time only!!! Hardly amnesty!

I'd advise more research before getting up in front of the adults and offering sophomoric advice. Due diligence will assist the discussion. Uneducated opinions simply distract from the discussion and embarrass this forum.

149 posted on 11/28/2005 2:32:26 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: HonestConservative
Yep, token fences in high visibility areas.

But 95% of the border will be left wide open, to allow millions of more "temporary guest workers" (wink wink) to walk right in.


150 posted on 11/28/2005 2:32:44 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: TCats

John Gibson is trying to get a straight answer out of the head of the Border Patrol now on FNC... and not getting good results.


151 posted on 11/28/2005 2:33:18 PM PST by DTogo (Merry CHRISTmas, and a healthy & happy New Year!)
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To: BlueStateDepression

However, we had a dem governor who refuses to inforce prop 200.


152 posted on 11/28/2005 2:33:20 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: NorCalRepub
haha....well that is great in theory though rarely happens...I don't argue with the content as much as the timing ...that is all....

But what is he deflecting from by promoting a stronger Immigration stance now? Are you saying that a President with "reported" low-poll numbers shouldn't do something to boost those numbers? Maybe you think that we are losing the War in Iraq? What is it about the timing? What is he deflecting from?
153 posted on 11/28/2005 2:33:38 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (11, 175, 77, 93 - In Memory Always)
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To: TCats

I agree better late than never, but those M13 gangs are already here and it is too late for that. It would have been nice to hear this speech right after 9/11.


154 posted on 11/28/2005 2:34:13 PM PST by Lemondropkid31 (Conroe, TX)
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To: Amerigomag

I know what I'm talking about so you might want to watch it with the insults. Try listening to the entire conversation and not just your narrow little mind.
But how grown up of you to hurl insults.


155 posted on 11/28/2005 2:35:36 PM PST by jackv (just shakin' my head)
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To: saveliberty

multi pronged approach is what is needed. Those that claim simply going after employers will work are as ousted as those that claim military on the border is all that is needed. Truth be told both should already be in full swing.

Real ID, holding employers to account, multiple layered fences, guards to man them, denial of any public benefits of any kind ( and yes that even means public water supplies and parks), along with making ANY aid given (like water stations) a prosecutable TREASONOUS offense is where I would start.


156 posted on 11/28/2005 2:35:54 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: Kerretarded
I'll be honest. I won't be satisfied until they close the borders -- building a fence from California all the way to Texas would be a good start. If they come in legally, fine, illegally -- no way -- get them the heck out!

If they come here then learn English and fully assimilate into our society... no more ballots printed in multiple languages, no more forcing teachers to teach in Spanish (as in Dallas, TX)... I could go on.

157 posted on 11/28/2005 2:36:58 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: SteveMcKing

Too many sons of blue collar working families won't do the jobs that their fathers did with honor and pride. It's either too hot or too cold or too dirty or too boring or they're expected to show up for work every day. They're into immediate gratification - a fault of our society.


158 posted on 11/28/2005 2:37:08 PM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

"Did you hear the stats he read off about the improvements he HAS made during his 5 years???!!! "

They have caught more aliens because more and more of them are trying to come over. The Minutemen have also helped catch a lot of them, but they won't get any credit for it.


159 posted on 11/28/2005 2:37:09 PM PST by Lemondropkid31 (Conroe, TX)
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To: DarthVader
Some people on this forum wouldn't be satisfied if we burned illegals at the stake.

You pro invasion types just can't resist hyperbole. First offenders should have no more than a finger chopped off.

160 posted on 11/28/2005 2:37:34 PM PST by Jim_Curtis (Torture works)
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