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NOLA Disaster was Largely Man-Made
Times Picayune ^ | 11/28/2005 | Lolis Eric Elie

Posted on 11/28/2005 10:18:38 AM PST by Neville72

Late last month, while taking the bus tour of the Lower 9th Ward, Gwenith Fletcher remarked, "I came to see what God had done."

Fletcher's sentiment parallels that of many people who see Hurricane Katrina, and all of its devastation, as one of those God-ordained natural disasters that happen sometimes, and reside far beyond the control of mere mortals.

But the more I hear about the actions of our public officials in the years leading up to the hurricane, the more convinced I am that this was not a "natural disaster" in the usual sense of the phrase.

Consider a headline on the Oct. 28 edition of The Times-Picayune: "Levee wall problems too obvious, experts say. Engineers who designed them should have seen it, they say."

(Excerpt) Read more at nola.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: katrina; levee

1 posted on 11/28/2005 10:18:39 AM PST by Neville72
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To: Neville72
"But the more I hear about the actions of our public officials in the years leading up to the hurricane, the more convinced I am that this was not a "natural disaster" in the usual sense of the phrase."

Oh, yes. Hurricanes are, you know, not natural at all. They're created by Boosh when he fires up the Hurricane Machine.

2 posted on 11/28/2005 10:22:59 AM PST by Reactionary (Politics Isn't for Little Boys Who Want to Play Nice)
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To: Neville72

Guess they're close enough to see the problem.


3 posted on 11/28/2005 10:24:50 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Neville72
"I came to see what God had done."

Acutally, it was years of corrupt politics and environmentalist
lawsuits (preventing flood control improvements) that did it...
4 posted on 11/28/2005 10:28:10 AM PST by VOA
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To: Reactionary

The cited article never mentions President Bush. It does refer to specific instances of human oversight, error, or corruption.


5 posted on 11/28/2005 10:28:34 AM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Neville72

Manmade in the sense that perhaps coastal cities should not be built below sea level?? And maybe there's a question of at what level of government the problem should have been addressed? It sure looks like it was a local, not a national, problem...


6 posted on 11/28/2005 10:29:10 AM PST by Spok (Est omnis de civilitate.)
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To: Spok

No, man-made in the sense that the builders of the levees and the local officials whose responsibility it was to make sure they were sound dropped the ball over and over again, year after year.

It's the hope of many of us here in Louisiana that what will eventuially emerge from this debacle is a smaller(absent the flood prone 9th Ward and Gentilly), cleaner(in every sense of the word)and more politically balanced, business friendly NOLA.


7 posted on 11/28/2005 10:37:40 AM PST by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Reactionary
What happened to New orleans was mainly due to incompetence and corruption in the levee areas - Katrina added some water, but wasn't the main problem.

On the other hand, when you move east into Mississippi, Katrina really had one heck of an impact.

8 posted on 11/28/2005 10:45:19 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Neville72

This is right on target. Bad levee and sea wall construction flooded the city. When you only drive down pilings 17 feet instead of 54 feet, you are creating the scenario for a man-made disaster. If the levees had been properly constructed, the city would have survived relatively intact and would have only experienced wind damage.


9 posted on 11/28/2005 10:48:52 AM PST by Kirkwood
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To: trebb
---that is the most disgusting part of this---we are still bombarded with garbage about poor New Orleans-where there was dancing and drinking in the streets after the storm had passed, only to have the levees fail--while the good citizens of Mississippi and Alabama go about rebuilding , largely unsung---
10 posted on 11/28/2005 10:56:41 AM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media:NRABenefactor)
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To: Neville72
"I came to see what God had done."

Don't have to go to New Orleans to see what God has done. Just open a Bible. Doesn't matter where you are at.

11 posted on 11/28/2005 11:12:07 AM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: taxesareforever

-----Amen


12 posted on 11/28/2005 3:46:34 PM PST by WasDougsLamb (I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.)
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To: Kirkwood

There was only 10 feet of piling. They kept claiming it was 17 feet, but was really only 10. http://www.nola.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-4/113238581835800.xml?nola


13 posted on 11/28/2005 4:03:12 PM PST by mom4kittys
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To: VOA
environmentalist lawsuits (preventing flood control improvements) that did it...

Got a link?

14 posted on 11/28/2005 4:07:54 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes
Got a link?

Dang it, I don't.
But I read about it in The Wall Street Journal maybe a month or so after
the debacle.

I can't remember the name of the group, but one local environmentalist
group harried The Army Corps of Engineers with so many lawsuits that plans
to build extra structures to prevent Lake Ponchatrain (sp?) from
being pushed into N.O. were abandoned.

IIRC, The Wall Street Journal tried to contact members of this environmentalist group
but couldn't get any return calls. Of course, that could be due to
the members of the group evacuated due to the flooding.
But I suspect that an additional reason is a desire to not be
around when there is a real investigation of "why the h-ll did this happen?".

Don't get me wrong. The artificial nature of today's Mississippi River
channel and the loss of marshland area (south and east of N.O.) needs to
be addressed. And the Army Corps of Engineers shouldn't have just
full carte blanche to just build, build, build.

But I suspect that the general silence from the extreme enviros
may show they don't want a spotlight shined on them at this time.
They'd rather that happen to other culprits like Blanco and
N.O.'s mayor.
15 posted on 11/28/2005 4:25:41 PM PST by VOA
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To: VOA

I don't think this is the article you are referring to but it is similar.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/berlau200509080824.asp


16 posted on 11/28/2005 6:22:26 PM PST by Saints fan
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To: Saints fan; Doe Eyes

The National Review article (post 16) basically recounts the current "duck and cover"
attitude of the environmentalist groups that functionally helped make the
disaster of N.O. possible.

But IIRC, at least in the WSJ article, the environmentalists at least
allied with the shrimpers and shellfish harvesters with the complaint that
Army Corps of Engineers work would damage the environment for shellfish.
I could see that as at least a shred of a fig-leaf in their disputation.

Funny, I've read that shellfish industry was really knocked back on their
heels by Katrina...
even though much of the needed protective work was stopped by lawsuits.
Too bad New Orleans was also basically destroyed (partly due to delayed
projects)...and the amount of tax dollars to help suffering industries
just won't be coming in from tourism/hospitality in N.O., if that city had been
adequately protected.

Again, I'll give a caveat. The "tamed" Mississippi needed more thought.
Work to restore the wetlands/swamps to the south/east of N.O. was needed
as it is a disappearing buffer to hurricanes.
And...if the Corps of Engineers work had been done well, maybe there'd
still be something of a tax base from N.O./La. to help with that sort of remedial project.
But now, one wonders if N.O. should just be built as a two-theme city:
1. A French Quarter with enough capacity to run Mardi Gras and host conventions
AND
2. A shipping terminal for gas, petroleum and food commodities.

And just never bother to rebuild and protect about 70% of what was N.O.
Just let the diaspora remain and save billions of dollars in the bargain.


17 posted on 11/28/2005 6:56:54 PM PST by VOA
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To: VOA
But now, one wonders if N.O. should just be built as a two-theme city: 1. A French Quarter with enough capacity to run Mardi Gras and host conventions AND 2. A shipping terminal for gas, petroleum and food commodities. And just never bother to rebuild and protect about 70% of what was N.O. Just let the diaspora remain and save billions of dollars in the bargain.

Sadly that seems to be the prevalent attitude here on FR, pick from the carcass that is New Orleans that benefits the rest of the country and leave the remains to the vultures. When did we stop being Americans? New Orleans has been described by many as a decadent, imoral city.Funny how the most decadent,(French Quarter) is the part of the city they want to preserve. I lost faith in Louisiana politicians long ago. I am slowly losing faith in my fellow Americans. Tens of thousands of us aren't worth helping?

By the way, what does diaspora mean?

18 posted on 11/28/2005 11:08:31 PM PST by Saints fan
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To: Kirkwood

You should be very careful saying things that impinge the levee design, because when you do, you are playing directly into the hands of those who want to blame Katrina on Bush.

The fact is that the levees were built as designed.

The fact is that the design was approved by local officials.

The fact is that the levees were funded to provide a certain level of protection, and they provided a level of protection higher than that which they were funded for, except where they sank and were not maintained.

The five failures that affected downtown New Orleans are still in limbo, in that how they failed is known, but not precisely why tose sections failed. Most likely this was a maintenence issue, trees allowed to grow there, sections replaced by local agencies after the fact, not original construction, and problems that developed over time which were never reported to the Corps of Engineers.

The levees which failed in St Bernards, and in east Orleans parish failed because they sank, and as they sank, the compacted fill layers were weakened.

The US Army Corps of Engineers was responsible for the design, but they were not given carte blanch. They said they could build a system to resist 11.5 feet ASL surge levels, and 99.99 percent of the system survived 13.5 foot ASL surge levels.

The failures were a product of maintenence, not design. Yes, the CoE could have designed better levees, but they would have cost more to build, and the local authorities were not willing to fund better designs.

The Corps of Engineers answers to the US Commander in Chief. The Levee Boards answer to no-one.

The CoE did their job as instructed. The Levee Boards built fountains and bike paths and airports even though they knew the levees were sinking. They also failed to rebuild certain sections of the capwalls to original specs. The CoE designs the leveesm, but maintenence, including recent rebuilding of the sections that failed, fell to either the Levee Board or the SDewer Board.

The reports that impugn the design stem from am engineer's group headed by a professor from Berkeley. They do not come right out and claim the design was wrong, but they use every trick in the book to create that impression, while taking great care to never actually say it. The MSM comes along and fills in the gaps, all setting the stage for a "blame Bush" campaign that will make the first one look like a tera party.

Yes, if the levees had held, then NO would have had broken glass and uprooted trees and shingle damage. But they didn't hold, and two sides are lining up as I type this, because about one trillion dollars worth of malicious negligence class action suits are forming up.

Some people see this coming, and are publishing misleading "engineering" reports. Others see this coming and are making sure the truth is aired as well. The rest are mostly parroting the misleading reports from liberal engineers and MSM spin.

It's up to an individual which group he wants to be a part of, but I think such decisions should be made with ALL the available information close in hand.



19 posted on 11/29/2005 9:25:48 AM PST by jeffers
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To: Neville72
Not a duplicate just more NO info

New Orleans and Louisiana: The Damn of the Day (Bawa alert)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1530400/posts
20 posted on 11/29/2005 9:28:03 AM PST by WKB (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance.. then Baffle them with BS)
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