Posted on 11/28/2005 3:40:35 AM PST by PatrickHenry
The fuel driving this science education debate is easy to understand. Scientists are suspicious that Christians are trying to insert religious beliefs into science.
They recognize that science must be free, not subject to religious veto. On the other hand, many Christians fear that science is bent on removing God from the picture altogether, beginning in the science classroom--a direction unacceptable to them.
They recognize that when scientists make definitive pronouncements regarding ultimate causes, the legitimate boundaries of science have been exceeded. For these Christians, intelligent design seems to provide protection against a perceived assault from science.
But does it really lend protection? Or does it supply yet another reason to question Christian credibility?
The science education debate need not be so contentious. If the intelligent design movement was truly about keeping the legitimate plausibility of a creator in the scientific picture, the case would seem quite strong.
Unfortunately, despite claims to the contrary, the Dover version of intelligent design has a different objective: opposition to evolution. And that opposition is becoming an increasing liability for Christians.
The reason for this liability is simple: While a growing array of fossils shows evolution occurring over several billion years, information arising from a variety of other scientific fields is confirming and extending the evolutionary record in thoroughly compelling ways.
The conclusions are crystal clear: Earth is very old. All life is connected. Evolution is a physical and biological reality.
In spite of this information, many Christians remain skeptical, seemingly mired in a naive religious bog that sees evolution as merely a personal opinion, massive scientific ruse or atheistic philosophy.
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You're a very wise lady. What's done is done...our ultimate goal is what we should concentrate on.
THe fall of man, and inherent sin nature requires that Adam and Eve were the first two humans, and that no other humans came from apes, else there would possibly be a blood line of sinless people in the world. A sinless people would not have a need for a savior. Nor, would a sinless people ever die since sin causes death.
Also, if there were any sinless people, they would have perished in the flood, since Noah's lineage is directly traced through Adam. If God somehow killed a sinless people, then He would be unjust.
So then, you cannot have evolution and God's plan of salvation.
Jesus is the only person who remained sinless throughout his entire life.
Then how did he die since he never had sinned, nor had a sin nature? He gave up His life when God placed on Him the sins of the world.
I agree!
"They don't pass the collection plate."
Yeah, they jack us all by getting government financing.
Genesis says death started with the sin committed by Adam and Eve. There was no death prior to this. Evolution says we basically started as "germs" and through death, life evolved.
You sound bitter. What exactly is your problem with science?
Good post.
Its kind of like those carnival whack-a-mole games. Hit the "2nd law" and the "Why are there still monkeys?" pops up out of a different hole.
>>>and you are just a little bit number than moore. by the way, moore claims to believe in evolution too.<<<
Number than moore, huh? LOL.
BTW, why are you are comparing yourself with Moore? That will not gain you any credibility here.
Christians have no problem whatsoever with science. They simply disagree with the premises of some scientists. Scientists do not invent anything. They discover what is there. Interpreting the data is all about premise. To a REAL Christian, creation cannot be understood minus the Creator. It would be like explaining how a clock came to be without allowing yourself to include the thought of a clock maker. You might find some theory, but it would never be accurate.
Here's a monkey wrench to throw in:
For those that scoff at the earth being 6000 years old, it could possibly be longer.
First, there is the gap theory which says the time between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 cannot be calculated. The theory is that during this gap of time, Satan rebelled and was cast to the earth and this caused it to be without void.
Second, there is no record of how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden before the Fall. It reads like Eve was created and the next thing you know, they sinned against God. It could have happened that way, but it could have been that they existed for near eternity before sinning...perfect world, direct communication with God...they could have gone a long time prior to sinning.
Did evolution go on outside the Garden prior to that? I don't think so. I know at least, man did not descend from apes. I also know that the six days of creation are literal.
This is the stupidest statement I've seen on FR this month, and that's saying something.
You can start marshalling evidence for this preposterous claim by trotting out all the 200-year-olds who got out of the sun when the Industrial Revolution started creating a statistically significant number of indoor jobs.
Ok, thanks. They used to teach us that a species had to evolve to change to it's environment to prevent the end of a species. And that a newly, adapted came from the "massive" death of the "parent" species.
"You sound bitter. What exactly is your problem with science?"
My problem is that I am robbed to pay for things I do not support. I am robbed to pay for "art" that insults me. I am robbed to pay for people who were too obstinate to move out of a sink hole 12 feet below sea level. I am robbed to pay for the offspring of someone who was too stupid to choose a man who would be responsible to his children, and allow her to raise those same children up to think that this lifestyle is "normal". I have a problem with so much of public funds for junk science.
I am not bitter. I am poorer for others misjudgement.
After the "destruction" of the world--sometime thereafter, man's appointed time of life is 120 years. Stay off the beach if ya wanna, but it won't help! LOL
There are several definitions for the word "evolution" - you seem to think there is only one.
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