Posted on 11/27/2005 6:17:30 AM PST by Borax Queen
Guest-worker plan to top Monday agenda
Hoping to straddle a fracture in the Republican Party, President Bush is due in Tucson on Monday to promote his border and immigration policies.
The 2:40 p.m. speech at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base is the president's only scheduled stop here.
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff are expected to appear with the president at D-M.
With the backing of businesses who need foreign employees, Bush is pushing a guest-worker program that would let undocumented workers obtain three-year work visas. Workers could extend that for another three years, but would then have to return to their home countries for a year to apply for a new work permit.
"Our Border Patrol and immigration agents are doing a fine job, but we still have a problem," Bush said in his Oct. 22 radio address.
"If an employer has a job that no American is willing to take, we need to find a way to fill that demand by matching willing employers with willing workers from foreign countries on a temporary and legal basis."
The proposal has alienated many conservative Republicans who feel it gives amnesty to people who have entered the country illegally.
There are an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants living in the United States.
Competing guest-worker proposals have been introduced in Congress, which is expected to take up the contentious issue early next year:
- Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., support legislation that would allow illegal border crossers to work in the United States for up to six years.
- Sens. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., and John Cornyn, R-Texas, are backing a plan that would force undocumented workers to first return to their home country to apply for a guest worker permit.
- Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., wants to grant legal status to undocumented workers who have paid taxes and lived in the United States for five years if they pass security checks, pay a $2,000 fine and demonstrate English proficiency.
Rank-and-file Republicans may be less divided on the immigration issue than GOP politicians in Washington, D.C.
An October poll of 807 likely Republican voters found 72 percent supported a plan with increased border security, tougher penalties on employers who hire illegal workers and a temporary worker program in which applicants could gain citizenship if they live crime-free, learn English and pay taxes. GOP pollster Ed Goeas conducted the national survey.
Bush signed a spending bill for Homeland Security last month that includes funding for 1,000 new Border Patrol agents and a 10 percent increase in the holding capacity of detention facilities for border crossers.
Earlier this month, Chertoff unveiled Homeland Security's Secure Border Initiative, which will add 100 deportation officers, 250 criminal investigators and 400 immigration enforcement agents to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
The initiative also seeks to eliminate the department's policy of releasing border crossers with a promise to appear in court. Most of these entrants never show up for hearings under the so-called "catch and release" policy.
Tune in to see Bush on TV
-Tucsonans who want to see President Bush during his visit to town Monday will have to turn on their televisions.
Bush's speech at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base will not be open to the public.
"He's not leaving the base, so nothing will be affected as far as road closures," said Officer Lisa Peasley, a Tucson Police Department spokeswoman.
KVOA-TV Channel 4 and KGUN-TV Channel 9 plan to carry Bush's 2:40 p.m. speech live.
Hey these illegals aren't picking grapes anymore. They are taking construction jobs. Framing, roofing, plumbing and yes even electrical. They are doing it for far less than an American worker can afford to do it for. They will live three families to a home to accomplish this. They are taking what once used to be good paying American jobs and converting them to wages fit for the parasites that are coming up and taking them. How does an honest contractor compete with the bastard who hires these illegal immigrants. Work hard and cheap with muscles flexin or you'll be replaced by an illegal Mezican.
Time to impeach this clown.
On this we agree, and on scrapping the IRS. I am against having a minimum wage in theory. I do not know if the current one is acting as a problem currently, if wages aren't high enough to enduce doemestic workers to work.
Or Artificially decreasing the labor market by barring willing workers from mexico could also be called market manipulation.
One could if they reject the notion of the nation state. I do not.
I note that you have refuted none of my points, but instead have resorted to the Straw Man.
Might I encourage you to either refute those factual reasons I provided, or to meekly acknowledge that you now understand why it is the objection to the illegal hiring business model?
Might I encourage you to either refute those factual reasons I provided, or to meekly acknowledge that you now understand the objection to the illegal hiring business model?
Well GM has 30,000 people they no longer need, who have related skills. Not to mention all their kids who once hoped to get jobs at the plants. Do you really think those sneaking across the border have an mechanical experience?
As for the potatoes, you don't have a food processor? Odd....
ping
There you go, using logic and reason on Dane.
I am waiting for the post about Buchanan.
Can't wait to read the rah! rah!'s that will be forthcoming from the Bushbots about this speech.
Did he laugh when he got to the part about the potato "peeler"?
"Hey these illegals aren't picking grapes anymore. They are taking construction jobs. Framing, roofing, plumbing and yes even electrical. They are doing it for far less than an American worker can afford to do it for. They will live three families to a home to accomplish this. They are taking what once used to be good paying American jobs and converting them to wages fit for the parasites that are coming up and taking them. How does an honest contractor compete with the bastard who hires these illegal immigrants. Work hard and cheap with muscles flexin or you'll be replaced by an illegal Mezican."
The Gospel truth!
That statement intrigued me (35 years in Commercial Construction) so I went to the OSU website. I'll be darned if I can find any 'new' Gym that was 'just' built?!? The newest seems to be the Aquatic Center, but they wouldn't be playing basketball there would they?
And OSU has so many Athletic Buildings can you be more specific (name wise) as to which is the 'new' gym?
An aside, 'most' water leaks come from the roof. Sometimes its the design, sometimes workmanship, sometimes a combination of both. And where the water eventually winds up (like the gym floor) is irrelevant due to the way water travels - gravity and path of least resistance. And trying to find the originating point of the leak is a royal 'pain'. Everyone involved gets blamed, and then you have to try to disprove it was your 'fault'. As a Project Manager I hated those 'we have a water leak' calls the most. Especially in a School Gym -- a real, major, BIG TIME, money waster.
As to the 'no hot water', that sounds like an under sized Hot Water Heater(s) - Boiler(s). But now everything is 'Energy Savings' and designed to the bone. No 'safety factor' as to capacity, or like a standby HWH (or boiler). That can lead directly back to the owner - OSU, who mandates certain design criteria to the Architect-Engineer team.
Note: I'm not discounting an Engineering 'oversight' (that's construction PC for "Major ERROR"). Over the last couple years it seems every Mechanical Engineer I've dealt with was a bonehead and got their degree in Botswana or Pago Pago.
Oops, football's on (Da Bears), gotta run.
"BTTT from invaded California!"
BTTT from another section of invaded California!
"Do you live on the same planet as the rest of us?
Yep, I'm afraid so.
I figure it must be punishment for something I did in a previous life."
R O T F L M A O
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
I dare ANYBODY here at FR to step up and say "I believe this is the best approach."
What fool would fall for this? This is a tacit surrender to an invasion of our land.
Let all FR members go on record here as stating that "Bush is right" OR go on record and state that you do NOT think this is right. If doing the latter, we need to do what we did with Bush's Harriet Miers pick--we voiced extreme outrage and the result was we changed the course of history by forcing Bush's hand and making him trash his Miers pick and choose Alito instead. We activists at FR and elsewhere picked a SCOTUS nominee.
We now are called upon to do the same. All true conservatives must do what we did with Miers and show that we renounce this lunacy and will not stand for this "guest intruder" program.
Get you activist motors started and let us change history once again just as we did with the Harriet Miers pick. I am fed up with our elected officials trashing our national sovereignty.
from post 75
'As the sixth year rolls around the press will have a million stories about Juan and Juanita, about their children, jobs, homes, neighborhood, churches, schools... The politicians will fold in a heartbeat, they'll never be forced to leave.
What's needed:
1. Demonstrable US control of our borders.
2. Make sure employers have the tools to verify citizenship.
3. Fine employers of illegals, jail time for repeat offenders.
4. Remove anchor baby rights.
5. Make all law enforcement responsible for enforcing immigration laws.
Then the Congress can decide who and how many can immigrate, and bring them in on a citizenship track, not a phony guest worker status.'
Based on reading the first 100 replies here I see this issue tearing the GOP to pieces.
We better pull our shit together fast or the rats are going to run this issue straight up our asses in 2006 and walk away with the Senate and House.
He shouldn't have to. The contractors who HIRE illegals should be fined. Sounds simple, huh? So why isn't this happening?
sw
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