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papersplease.org ^ | unk | Deborah Davis (presumably)

Posted on 11/26/2005 1:02:20 PM PST by Past Your Eyes

Meet Deborah Davis. She's a 50 year-old mother of four who lives and works in Denver, Colorado. Her kids are all grown-up: her middle son is a soldier fighting in Iraq. She leads an ordinary, middle class life. You probably never would have heard of Deb Davis if it weren't for her belief in the U.S. Constitution.

This is not America. When honest, law-abiding citizens can't commute to work on a city bus without a demand for their 'papers', something is very, very wrong.

One morning in late September 2005, Deb was riding the public bus to work. She was minding her own business, reading a book and planning for work, when a security guard got on this public bus and demanded that every passenger show their ID. Deb, having done nothing wrong, declined. The guard called in federal cops, and she was arrested and charged with federal criminal misdemeanors after refusing to show ID on demand.

(Excerpt) Read more at papersplease.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Colorado; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arrest; bus; court; davis; fascism; id; papers; patriotact; police
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This is not from a periodical but from this woman's website.
1 posted on 11/26/2005 1:02:21 PM PST by Past Your Eyes
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To: Past Your Eyes

Well this should prove interesting.

4th Amendment.

No probable cause.

Harrassment.


2 posted on 11/26/2005 1:08:23 PM PST by ChefKeith ( If Diplomacy worked, then we would be sitting here talking...)
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To: Past Your Eyes
Though not enforced, NYC does have one of these laws on the books.

Its an "anti-vagrancy" law.

It is expected to actually become more widespread as a possible law enforcement tool against illegal immigration nationwide.

3 posted on 11/26/2005 1:18:35 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Past Your Eyes

BOYCOT DENVER


4 posted on 11/26/2005 1:18:47 PM PST by mountainlyons (AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!!)
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To: Past Your Eyes
Okay... I'll be the first to say it....

What is this woman hiding? She's obviously hiding something if she felt uncomfortable showing her ID. I think she should be hauled in because now she's acting suspicious.

Oh, and in case I need it...

/sarc
5 posted on 11/26/2005 1:22:32 PM PST by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

Most states have laws on the books that an ID must
be presented if an officer of the law requests an
ID from that individual. Failure to do so, carries
a penalty. No state, of which I am aware, allows its
citizens to not present an ID if one is requested
by a law enforcement official.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please.


6 posted on 11/26/2005 1:23:29 PM PST by no-to-illegals
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To: no-to-illegals

Again someone please correct me, if I am incorrect.

And I believe Most state have laws should be changed
to All states have laws.

But again someone please correct me, if I am incorrect.


7 posted on 11/26/2005 1:28:17 PM PST by no-to-illegals
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To: no-to-illegals

There is a big, big, BIG difference between an officer of the law and a security guard, that is where this is wrong. It says that it was a security guard, which means a private security guard on public transportation. He has no jurisdiction on that bus, and in fact, not many places at all, much less enough to demand an ID from people.


8 posted on 11/26/2005 1:42:43 PM PST by Laz711 (The Barbarians are in Rome)
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To: Laz711

ah, but some states recognize security personnel
as officers of the law. Colorado may be such a
state...... though I don't know.....

What raised my suspicion was the link to the web
site.


9 posted on 11/26/2005 1:45:19 PM PST by no-to-illegals
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To: Past Your Eyes

Appalling. This is how they control their subjects in totalitarian states. Is this where we're going?


10 posted on 11/26/2005 1:46:34 PM PST by Emile
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To: Past Your Eyes; All

There has to be more to this story...


11 posted on 11/26/2005 1:46:54 PM PST by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: Emile

We're already gone.


12 posted on 11/26/2005 1:49:36 PM PST by darkangel82 (Never underestimate the stupidity of government.)
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To: KevinDavis
That's exactly what I'm thinking. This is HER website so it's her side of the story. She's obviously trying to make a statement and an example of herself. And notice that ACLU logo on the left hand side.
13 posted on 11/26/2005 1:50:22 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: Past Your Eyes; All

I saw that.. I want to see both sides of the story before I make a rash judgement...


14 posted on 11/26/2005 1:52:59 PM PST by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: Past Your Eyes; KevinDavis
What I noticed when I went to the link, was the picture of her holding
the picture of her military son. She has that Cindy al Shehani look to her.

I might be wrong, but something doesn't smell right about this whole deal.
15 posted on 11/26/2005 1:59:58 PM PST by ThreePuttinDude ()......Politically incorrect by Intelligent Design........()
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To: Past Your Eyes
.....ACLU logo on the left hand side.

You have to remember that the ACLU also backed Rush in the doctor shopping deal.
They're not to be trusted, I know I don't have to mention that here...

16 posted on 11/26/2005 2:04:10 PM PST by ThreePuttinDude ()......Politically incorrect by Intelligent Design........()
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To: no-to-illegals

check out Brown v. Texas for ID on demand. Absent reasonable suspicion, local cops can't demand id. Don't know about fed rent-a-cops.


17 posted on 11/26/2005 2:08:57 PM PST by ol' hoghead (press 1 for Englisn, prese 2 por Espanol)
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To: ol' hoghead


18 posted on 11/26/2005 2:10:27 PM PST by ol' hoghead (press 1 for English, prese 2 por Espanol)
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To: Sonny M

Antivagrancy laws have been declared unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court in a case from the late 60s or early 70s, a case arising from Jacksonville, Fla. They are incapable of defining the criminal act: ''wandering aimlessly from place to place without any visable means of support,'' or, 'asking passers-by for money,'' and so on.


19 posted on 11/26/2005 2:14:15 PM PST by middie
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To: Past Your Eyes

This is not America.


20 posted on 11/26/2005 2:14:16 PM PST by cope85
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