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Iraqi Forces Coming Along, Slowly (Must Read)
M&C ^ | Pamela Hess

Posted on 11/26/2005 7:28:15 AM PST by xzins

WASHINGTON, DC, United States (UPI) -- A young Iraqi lieutenant in a maroon beret and immaculately pressed battle fatigues paced in front of 28 children at a school courtyard in Baghdad`s Abu Ghraib neighborhood in early October, smoking a thin cigarette, elegantly.

The boys had been pulled from class because they were the poorest in the school, and the Iraqi forces just now beginning to police their neighborhood had come to deliver school supplies. They are taking over not just the security mission from the Americans, but the attempt to win the hearts and minds of the community.

'What is your opinion of the Iraqi army?' he asked the boys, who were eyeing the backpacks and paper being set out in front of them.

'You are welcome,' one said.

The lieutenant told them not to listen to satellite television and the discouraging news about Iraq they carry, or to the rumors on the street that the Iraqi army draws its ranks from the military of Iran.

'We are here to keep you safe so you can focus on your lessons,' he said. 'I want to see your marks at the end of the year. Anything you need we will come and help you, and if you see something bad, we will come and help you.'

With that the boys were given single sheets of construction paper, rulers, backpacks and notebooks. The distribution was excruciatingly slow and unorganized, the first visit of its kind by the Iraqi army. Some soldiers disappeared upstairs and returned with favored little boys - relatives and children of friends -- who knelt to collect their share of the booty, then scrambled upstairs. Even something as simple as a charitable gesture in Iraq is not without its politics and its nepotism.

As Iraqi security forces struggle to their feet, U.S. military officials across Iraq are seeing a mixed bag. Iraq`s immediate future -- and the decision to withdraw any number of American forces -- depends on the ISF performing their very difficult mission competently while winning the consent of the people.

The IA unit in Abu Ghraib, a neighborhood of some 100,000 where only 1,000 adults have jobs, is starting out behind the eight-ball.

'The IA lost all credibility here,' said one U.S. soldier from the 10th Mountain Division. 'They were trained by the CIA and Special forces and basically told to 'go and fight.' They basically looted the entire area.'

The unit has since be disassembled and put through new, more careful training with adequate weapons and vehicles, a process that has been repeated across the country.

It is widely accepted among American officers in Iraq that the U.S. military lost more than a year in Iraq between the invasion and the creation of a professional security force. Thousands were recruited in the months after the fall of Saddam Hussein, but their training was brief and in many cases non-existent. They weren`t screened for loyalty to the old regime, and pay problems persisted.

Twin uprisings in Najaf and Fallujah in April 2004 revealed their vulnerability. About half of those called on to fight refused or abandoned their posts, and at least 10 percent joined the other side.

That searing experience led to the appointment of Army Lt. Gen. David Petraeus to oversee the creation of new Iraqi security forces. With considerable reorganization, partnering American units with Iraqi units, assigning thousands of U.S. military exclusively to training assignments, creating formal military academies, the Iraqi army is now showing signs of progress. The November 2004 battle for Fallujah, half of which was handled by Iraqi forces, proved the case. With adequate training and strong backing -- as well as medical, logistical and fire support -- Iraqi forces are now capable of shouldering some of the mission.

According to the U.S. military, some 116 Iraqi battalions are now in the fight; either in the lead, planning and carrying out operations against insurgents with U.S. backing, or as partners in U.S. planned raids and battles. In October the first Iraqi division headquarters assumed command of two brigades under it, and they have security responsibility for central Baghdad.

'If you demonstration what you want them to do, they do it,' said Lt. Col. Mark Meadows, commander of the 1st Squadron, 71st Cavalry Regiment of the 10th Mountain Divisions 1st Brigade Combat Team. 'They copy very, very well. The good guys will keep doing it.'

Only one Iraqi battalion -- a force of about 700 -- is capable of totally independent operations, from planning to execution, as well as providing their own housing, food and transportation, according to the top American general in Iraq.

According to one Iraqi general, Iraq is just a year away from having a proper army if only the insurgency and its daily attacks on Iraqi infrastructure can be brought under control.

'It will take about a year,' said Brig. Abdul Jabar Saleh Rabiah, 43, the Iraqi Army 1st Brigade Commander in the 4th Division in Tikrit in an interview in his office in September. 'All over the world each army depends on the economic state that the army belongs to. We`ve got very strong qualifications for a strong economy -- oil and other resources. But because of the operations done by insurgents we haven`t had a chance for a good economy. If not for the insurgency we would have a very strong army and an economy in one year.'

Rabiah commands a force of four battalions, about 3,000 men, all of which he rates as good and functioning, although his second battalion had to be demolished and completely reformed a year ago. The commander was bad, and many of its members tied to the insurgents in Samarra, one of the most dangerous cities in Iraq.

The most effective Iraqi forces are those that, by sheer luck, have an effective Iraqi leader -- the ranks of which Rabiah is included in. Many of them are former Ba`athists and most have previous military experience at the colonel level or above, technically, people who by dint of the de-Ba`athification order should not have power.

However, U.S. forces have discovered in many cases these are the only people with the experience and the courage to stand in front and lead. Saddam Hussein`s government did not regularly encourage those not in his service toward initiative.

That said, older officers carry with them baggage from their previous jobs.

'The younger officers are amazing. Whenever you run into a problem it`s with someone older and more experienced,' said Capt. Jesse Sandefer, the 1/71st Cav`s intelligence officer.

One of their main problems is the iron grip they hold on intelligence and information. The old regime concentrated power and information in the hands of the top few officers. Junior officers were not trusted to make decisions, and non-commissioned officers were not invested with the kind of authority for troop command resident in Western systems. It is one of the main reasons the Iraqi army folded so quickly in the invasion. Once communication and leadership was cut off, lower level soldiers were incapable of divining their missions.

The Iraqi military lacks the structures and systems that the U.S. military has spent the last 200 years developing. When a new recruit comes into the Army or Marine Corps, there is a cultural identity, a way of doing things that is agreed upon and carried out by generations of fighters.

This does not exist in Iraq, at least not anymore. The U.S. government under administrator Paul Bremer dissolved the military in 2003 and didn`t call it back, to the surprise of the American military which expected to find the force relatively intact. Instead, it is now tasked with creating out of whole cloth the training, systems, materiel, personnel and command relationships that were lost.

Big personalities count for a great deal in the Iraqi military. Good Iraqi officers easily command authority and when officers change position, there is inevitably a few weeks or months lag in discipline while the new leader establishes himself.

That is an unthinkable prospect in the U.S. military, where even if a commander lacks credibility, the institutions are well established enough to hum along reasonably well on their own.

'The system carries the day in those bleak moments where there is no personality to rally troops,' said Meadows.

One of the chief concerns of U.S. officers in Iraq is with the ministries of defense and interior - the offices from where many of the systems needed for an independent military will emanate.

A senior U.S. general on the Joint Staff told UPI this week that the two ministries were rife with corruption and inefficiency, something that will be addressed in earnest after Iraq`s December election. That election will usher in a government for the next four years and provide much needed stability to the changing faces of the ministries. There have been four different governments in the last three years in Baghdad.

Even the smallest thing requires Herculean efforts to accomplish, Meadows told UPI.

'The logistics system is either non-existent, broken or corrupt,' he said.

Just to get a voucher to pay for fuel for an Iraqi battalion policing Baghdad, every month an Iraqi officer has to walk a form across the Ministry of Defense to collect different 10 signatures. The officer happens to be friendly with many of the signatories personally -- otherwise it would never happen.

'God forbid if someone up here doesn`t like you or knows you from a past life,' said Maj. John Beatty, another 1/71st officer in Baghdad.

The ministries have their nefarious sides as well. In Late July, two men from the Ministry of Defense showed up to interrogate prisoners held at the Iraqi army internment facility at the base in western Baghdad. An American guard walked in on them beating the two prisoners they were interrogating.

'It was nothing severe. They were slapped around, kicked and maybe burned with cigarettes. But it was well beyond Geneva,' said Sandefer.

The men were banned from the facility, but they showed up again in September. The Iraqi commander of the local brigade, Brig. Gen. Jaleel Khalaf Shouail, kicked them off the base.

Unlike other Iraqi commander who speak readily of their desire to come down harder on their prisoners than the Americans will allow them to, Jaleel embraces an exceptionally humane approach.

He opened up a photo album to demonstrate how it has worked for him. In it there is a picture of a man, who he said was a fighter from Saudi Arabia. The would-be suicide bomber was captured by U.S. and Iraqi forces before his vehicle exploded. He was injured in the operation.

'Do you know what we did? I put a doctor with him that stayed with him all night. I personally gave him sleeping gear for him to be more comfortable,' Jaleel said. 'Do you know the effect? His brain was cleared ... he went on the news with us and he talked to the Iraqi people.'

Outside his office, an ornery horse grazes in the middle of the base. He too was once a detainee, captured when his owner was caught with artillery shells. He was stolen by Iraqi soldiers from the base and sold on the street, but Jaleel sent his men to buy him back. The horse, he joked, is the only one he can get to keep the grass mowed.

'He has freedom, like all Iraqi people. We call him `the spoiled.` He eats and sleeps and does nothing. He won`t be any use to his owner. He loves freedom.'


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KEYWORDS: battalions; gnfi; iraq; iraqiarmy; iraqimilitary; procoalition; wot
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1 posted on 11/26/2005 7:28:16 AM PST by xzins
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To: All; Calpernia; Travis McGee; Jeff Head; LTCJ; Thunder 6; Cannoneer No. 4; P-Marlowe; jude24; ...
A senior U.S. general on the Joint Staff told UPI this week that the two ministries were rife with corruption and inefficiency, something that will be addressed in earnest after Iraq`s December election. That election will usher in a government for the next four years and provide much needed stability to the changing faces of the ministries. There have been four different governments in the last three years in Baghdad.

Even the smallest thing requires Herculean efforts to accomplish, Meadows told UPI.

'The logistics system is either non-existent, broken or corrupt,' he said.

Just to get a voucher to pay for fuel for an Iraqi battalion policing Baghdad, every month an Iraqi officer has to walk a form across the Ministry of Defense to collect different 10 signatures. The officer happens to be friendly with many of the signatories personally -- otherwise it would never happen.

These were points made the other night on FoxNews by Col Hunt (especially the underlined). He said that corruption is preventing the adequate fielding of Iraqi battalions.

The question becomes: how to defeat the corruption in the SHORT TERM.

2 posted on 11/26/2005 7:31:33 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
"Even something as simple as a charitable gesture in Iraq is not without its politics and its nepotism."

As I was reading things that popped into my mind, Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame, The Daley Machine, The Kennedy Family......

Now back to reading the excellent post. :)
3 posted on 11/26/2005 7:36:08 AM PST by Chgogal (Democrats cut and run, Marines don't. OR Democrats are silent and millions die. Which to use?)
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To: xzins
The question becomes: how to defeat the corruption in the SHORT TERM

And once we figure that out, can we repeat the process in our own Goverment? Amazing how much of the same sort of "Corruption" we accept from our OWN Goverment that we find objectionable in Iraq.

4 posted on 11/26/2005 7:36:56 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("You cannot kill hope with bombs and bullets" Sgt. Clay Smith)
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To: MNJohnnie; Chgogal

Our corruption doesn't prevent the fielding of battalions. Theirs does. (Ours takes the form of cost overruns.)

That's the difference.

My sense is that the money and/or supplies disappear on their way to the units in the field. As I listened to Col David(?) Hunt the other day, I think I remember getting the same sense.

It's appropriated or purchased, but it doesn't arrive at its final destination.


5 posted on 11/26/2005 7:40:44 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins

How do you combat corruption that is based, to a large degree, on islamic tainted teachings and rationale? I don't think you solve it on the short term. This is a whole culture that needs to be de-programmed. we're looking at change on a generational timescale.


6 posted on 11/26/2005 7:44:30 AM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: TADSLOS

That's exactly the kind of thing that came to my mind. Baksheesh is ingrained in the culture....everyone's expected to take a skim off the top as money/goods travel through the supply chain.

Given that: How do you get rid of it for the military only....quickly.

SERIOUS LEGAL PENALTIES?

Issueing the money/supply orders directly to the battalion level?


7 posted on 11/26/2005 7:47:44 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins; Chgogal
Funny, I don't listen to the failed media, I read the dozens of excellent posts put up here by Sandrat, Calpernia and Gucho. That and I read the Mil bloggers out with the troops in Iraq instead of the hide in the Green Zone crowd,. Funny how none of the front line reporting has all this hyper negativism. Funny how every week we turn over more and more of Iraq to these "unready" forces. Perhaps the SOURCE of the "news" is at fault, not the Iraqis? Perhaps since Bad News sells, the Dinosaur Media over focuses on the portion of the glass that is empty?

Sorry but both sides cannot be correct. So who do I trust, the SAME media that ran around screaming that the"Army is bogged down and cut off in Iraq" in March 2003 or who were promising us "22 White House Indictments" over the non CIA leak investigation a month ago or the people ACTUALLY on the ground doing the job?

Considering the dozens of deliberately misreported stories I can site from the last 2 years, I would be real hesitant to place too much faith in them

8 posted on 11/26/2005 7:49:32 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("You cannot kill hope with bombs and bullets" Sgt. Clay Smith)
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To: xzins

bttt


9 posted on 11/26/2005 7:50:52 AM PST by Christian4Bush ("Cowards cut and run: Marines never do." And I do NOT wish to revise or extend my remarks.)
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To: xzins
I'm sure that is the case. And I won't argue with you but could you tell me how the Baghdad Stock Exchange is working?

What the average salary of the entry level soldier is in Iraq?

What was the corruption during the Saddam years and how long if corruption existed does it take for a society to break from its historical behavior?

Can you or Col Hunt tell me what the average household income is before and after Saddam?

Can you or Col Hunt tell me what the inflation rate is?

Can you or Col Hunt tell me if domestic food production is increasing?
10 posted on 11/26/2005 7:53:50 AM PST by Chgogal (Democrats cut and run, Marines don't. OR Democrats are silent and millions die. Which to use?)
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To: MNJohnnie; Calpernia; Ragtime Cowgirl

I don't consider this a negative story. It seems pretty positive to me....positive toward the mission, toward the plan, etc.

It highlights a problem with fielding battalions that tracks with what I am hearing elsewhere. I'm hearing it from troops, commentators who formerly were troops, and from some media sources that I have some respect for.

There's a real issue with getting these Iraqi battalions stood up and capable of functioning in the field.

If corruption is a real issue, it's worth discussing in a forum such as this with folks who actually care that we succeed. So, then....hypothetically speaking, "IF corruption were preventing the quick fielding of these Iraqi battalions, how could that be overcome in the short term?"

BTW, I was one of the original posters of GNFI with Ragtime Cowgirl & Calpernia.


11 posted on 11/26/2005 7:58:15 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: ducks1944; Ragtime Cowgirl; Alamo-Girl; TrueBeliever9; maestro; TEXOKIE; My back yard; djreece; ...
According to the U.S. military, some 116 Iraqi battalions are now in the fight; either in the lead, planning and carrying out operations against insurgents with U.S. backing, or as partners in U.S. planned raids and battles. In October the first Iraqi division headquarters assumed command of two brigades under it, and they have security responsibility for central Baghdad.

'If you demonstration what you want them to do, they do it,' said Lt. Col. Mark Meadows, commander of the 1st Squadron, 71st Cavalry Regiment of the 10th Mountain Divisions 1st Brigade Combat Team. 'They copy very, very well. The good guys will keep doing it.'

12 posted on 11/26/2005 8:03:19 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: xzins

strange....

have you ever discussed a verse or chapter in the Bible with someone....I enjoy hearing other people talk about what they get out of such things, because I usually see something I didn't see before...

There are even times when I read something and get one message, then read the same thing a year late, and get a totally different message....

MY POINT:

The curruption I get out of this article is that the Iraqi troops are using gifts to make friends.....

This kind of "corruption" is ALL OVER!!!

The Republicans give tax breaks to "the rich." The MSM and liberals call this corruption- all the while refusing to analyze the FACTS of what these tax breaks supply for the GOOD of our nation; such as creating MORE JOBS, boosting the economy, allowing people to support themsleves instead of depending on gov't to do it... bottom line- the Libs see any money distribution where THEY don't get to SKIM OFF THE TOP OF as EVIL. They just call it corruption- and the media follows suit, never questioning it....

Meanwhile, the Libs promise to GIVE things to people in return for favor and votes.... The difference is clear...

What one calls "corruption" only hurts those seeking more control and power over people....while what another calls "corruption" simply gives power back to the people that the CONSTITUTION says SHOULD have the power.

Too many people see the Gov't the same way they view corporations. In the work place- the little guy has "no say," and is dependent upon the big boss.... what they don't understand is that when it comes to gov't- it is supposed to work the OPPOSITE! The "little guy" is the boss..... what they ultimately prove is that they are tooo damn lazy for the job to be in charge- they would rather rollover and let someone else do the work for them, and don't give a rats bonk if the WORK done by those they let do it is DESTROYING them......


13 posted on 11/26/2005 8:03:20 AM PST by eeevil conservative (Don't Change Minds, Change Lives! Sherri Reese)
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To: eeevil conservative

PS

We would never allow our employees to spend us into bankrupcy the way we let our elected SERVANTS do it....

Could you imagine a CEO letting managers put the company in debt by buying lunch for all their staff and giving out raises like candy in order to make sure they kept their cushy management jobs.....?

OY!


14 posted on 11/26/2005 8:05:28 AM PST by eeevil conservative (Don't Change Minds, Change Lives! Sherri Reese)
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To: Chgogal
I don't mind someone disputing the notion that corruption is a problem that's injuring the fielding of these battalions. Better to chase a real problem than a non-problem. There are indicators that this is a problem.

Given that we support the war effort and want to quickly win and get out and on to the next target, then how do we do that the fastest.

I think all of the questions you asked are good ones.

The World Fact Book answers some of your questions: Cia World Fact Book

15 posted on 11/26/2005 8:11:07 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: eeevil conservative

It seems to me that if I'm a soldier and am expecting 3 MRE's a day (breakfast, lunch, and supper), then I'm injured if the type of corruption takes one or two of those meals away so that I only get one meal a day.

That type of corruption doesn't exist within the US military.

A military that has to endure that type of corruption is going to be injured.

That's what we're talking about trying to fix.


16 posted on 11/26/2005 8:14:39 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins

Why is this not the lead story on the evening news?????

>Unlike other Iraqi commander who speak readily of their desire to come down harder on their prisoners than the Americans will allow them to, Jaleel embraces an exceptionally humane approach.

He opened up a photo album to demonstrate how it has worked for him. In it there is a picture of a man, who he said was a fighter from Saudi Arabia. The would-be suicide bomber was captured by U.S. and Iraqi forces before his vehicle exploded. He was injured in the operation.

'Do you know what we did? I put a doctor with him that stayed with him all night. I personally gave him sleeping gear for him to be more comfortable,' Jaleel said. 'Do you know the effect? His brain was cleared ... he went on the news with us and he talked to the Iraqi people.' <


17 posted on 11/26/2005 8:14:53 AM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: xzins

Gotcha...

Sorry, I took a little bunny trail....


18 posted on 11/26/2005 8:16:37 AM PST by eeevil conservative (Don't Change Minds, Change Lives! Sherri Reese)
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To: G Larry

I agree with you. That really struck me when I read it.

Our MSM is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic Party, and such a report would conflict with the Dem talking points.

That's why it's not on the evening news.


19 posted on 11/26/2005 8:17:00 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Calpernia

Thanks for the ping!


20 posted on 11/26/2005 8:34:24 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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