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Newton more important than Einstein: poll
PhysOrg.com ^ | 23 November 2005 | Staff

Posted on 11/23/2005 6:04:12 PM PST by PatrickHenry

Newton, the 17th-century English scientist most famous for describing the laws of gravity and motion, beat Einstein in two polls conducted by eminent London-based scientific academy, the Royal Society.

More than 1,300 members of the public and 345 Royal Society scientists were asked separately which famous scientist made a bigger overall contribution to science, given the state of knowledge during his time, and which made a bigger positive contribution to humankind.

Newton was the winner on all counts, though he beat the German-born Einstein by only 0.2 of a percentage point (50.1 percent to 49.9 percent) in the public poll on who made the bigger contribution to mankind.


Albert Einstein may have made the discoveries that led to nuclear and solar power, lasers and even a physical description of space and time, but Sir Isaac Newton had a greater impact on science and mankind, according to a poll published Wednesday.

The margin was greater among scientists: 60.9 percent for Newton and 39.1 percent for Einstein.

The results were announced ahead of the "Einstein vs. Newton" debate, a public lecture at the Royal Society on Wednesday evening.

"Many people would say that comparing Newton and Einstein is like comparing apples and oranges, but what really matters is that people are appreciating the huge amount that both these physicists achieved, and that their impact on the world stretched far beyond the laboratory and the equation," said Royal Society president Lord Peter May.

Pro-Newton scientists argue he led the transition from an era of superstition and dogma to the modern scientific method.

His greatest work, the "Principia Mathematica", showed that gravity was a universal force that applied to all objects in the universe, finally ruling out the belief that the laws of motion were different for objects on Earth and in the heavens.

Einstein's supporters point out that his celebrated theory of relativity disproved Newton's beliefs on space and time and led to theories about the creation of the universe, black holes and parallel universes.

He also proved mathematically that atoms exist and that light is made of particles called photons, setting the theoretical foundations for nuclear bombs and solar power.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: alberteinstein; crevolist; einstein; isaacnewton; newton; physics; principia; science
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To: Right Wing Assault

This is reminiscent of non-Euclidean geometry.


181 posted on 11/23/2005 8:41:50 PM PST by phantomworker (A new day! Begin it serenely; with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense!)
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To: Right Wing Assault
"Now, if you dropped a dart, that would be a different story."

I'm glad you brought up the dart because I was about to say that this thread was pointless...

182 posted on 11/23/2005 8:42:17 PM PST by wireman
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To: Torie
Is it Buddha or Confucius?
183 posted on 11/23/2005 8:42:49 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

I liked your example on the moon and orbital velocity. That was funny.


184 posted on 11/23/2005 8:43:37 PM PST by phantomworker (A new day! Begin it serenely; with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense!)
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To: Diplomat
OK, I thought it is him or Confucius but I think neither one has that deep influence in history to be ranked top 5.
185 posted on 11/23/2005 8:44:41 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: AntiGuv; jveritas
I looked it up, and must correct myself. I have the first three correct, but 4th and 5th are Confucius and Buddha, with St. Paul 6th. The wild card is the 7th guy. That is the one you guys will never guess without cheating. :)
186 posted on 11/23/2005 8:45:23 PM PST by Torie
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To: jveritas

Yes. :)


187 posted on 11/23/2005 8:45:44 PM PST by Torie
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To: MilleniumBug
The world would be very different if he hadn't been born but apples would still fall if Newton had been aborted.

No scientist is truly irreplacable, even Einstein. Eventually, someone would have done what Newton did. Same for Einstein. They just were smart enough and got born earlier.

188 posted on 11/23/2005 8:45:59 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Right Wing Assault

I read somewhere that there is one insight Einstein had (no it was not e=mc squared) that others in time are not likely to have fathomed, and one thing Newton did, that others would not have grasped onto either, for a very long time indeed. What are those? I don't remember!


189 posted on 11/23/2005 8:50:20 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
OK I found the 100 most influential people in history per Micheal Hart list.

Cai Lu(China) the inventor of paper is # 7 according to his list. I think the inventor of the Alphabet should be ranked more important than Cai Lu, some Phoenician guy called Kadmous. Anyway, I think this list is the opinion of the author Hart. Jesus Christ is # 1 without any competition.

Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100

190 posted on 11/23/2005 8:52:29 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: jveritas

You cheater you. Who invented the alphabet? Which alphabet? Was it done by one guy?


191 posted on 11/23/2005 8:53:46 PM PST by Torie
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To: wireman
I'm glad you brought up the dart because I was about to say that this thread was pointless...

With that pointed remark, I am going to bed. I'll see all of you in the morning after the kids and I shovel the cars out. Only got a few inches tonight, but who knows what lake effect snow will blow in off Lake Erie with 40 mi/h gusts over night.

192 posted on 11/23/2005 8:54:29 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: InterceptPoint
I think he died a virgin.

Yup, Newton was terrifed of women. He was probably gay.

Would be fascinating to see the results of this poll if taken on a U.S. campus, where both men have been vilified by feminists for the past couple decades. Newton for being the author of a rape manual (the Principia) and Einstein for his famous "sexed equation" (e=mc2).

I did not make this up. If you don't believe me google it.

193 posted on 11/23/2005 8:54:44 PM PST by freespirited
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To: jveritas

Oh Kadmous. No he didn't make the list at all. :)


194 posted on 11/23/2005 8:54:53 PM PST by Torie
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


195 posted on 11/23/2005 8:56:01 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: phantomworker

"Yeah, Bill Nye, the Science Guy!"

Yea - the great supporter of Democrats. Clinton, Gore, Kerry, you name it. More aptly named "Bill Nye, the Liberal Guy."


196 posted on 11/23/2005 8:56:06 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you countless observable clues of His existence!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Ah come on, the nationalism here is plainly evident. A bunch of Brit scientists picked the Brit guy over the naturalized German American.


197 posted on 11/23/2005 8:56:08 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: jveritas; AntiGuv
Here is the complete list. Enjoy.
198 posted on 11/23/2005 8:57:36 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
The alphabet as we know it i.e phonics characters was first invented in Phoenicia (current day Lebanon) over 2800 years ago. In fact the first letter was pronounced as ALEPH and second letter was BET in the Phoenician language. The Greeks took the Phoenicians ALPHABEAT and made their own and then the Romans took the Greek alphabet and made their own, the Latin alphabet that is the most widely used in the world.
199 posted on 11/23/2005 8:58:34 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: jveritas

Thanks. You might email Hart.


200 posted on 11/23/2005 9:00:51 PM PST by Torie
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