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1 posted on 11/23/2005 1:30:57 PM PST by jdege
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-Allowing Wisconsin residents to carry concealed firearms may not reduce crime. If anything, crime may increase...-

In other words, he doesn't know. In other words, if nothing significant has happened elsewhere, he figures Wisconsonites are too irrantional to handle it either way. In other words, he doesn't give a rip about constitutional rights.


83 posted on 11/23/2005 2:09:24 PM PST by AmericanChef
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"If anything, crime may increase and there will be, without a doubt, more firearms in our homes and on our streets."

This is someone who doesn't trust the average citizen. A quick fact check of the number of crimes committed by concealed weapon permit holders and the number of crimes they have stopped should be enough reason for him to stfu. But why let facts get in the way of being a demonrat in favor of banning guns?

84 posted on 11/23/2005 2:09:24 PM PST by GBA (I believe Congressman Weldon! MSM do your job.)
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I am a police officer with the Racine Police Department and a part-time police officer for another community in Racine County.

I believe that there is no credible evidence that carrying a concealed firearm reduces crime...

Is it just me or does anyone else think that "Officer Adam" doesn't have a lot of years experience under his belt as a police officer? Freshly out of the academy, maybe?

Either that or he's got his eyes on the career ladder and has taken on the liberal higher up's views, since his nose has been so close to certain of their sphincters.

Just sounds like a young, gung-ho cowboy who has no life other than two police jobs.

Why do I get the impression that he will either 1) be on the wrong end of an IA investigation for "over eagerness" or 2) take every officer's exam and try to quickly climb the dept's ladder. Like a typical liberal, he "feels" and "believes" but doesn't have any facts or research to back up those feelings and beliefs.

Guess he needs a bit more time on the streets rather than as an officer making departmental decisions based upon his "feelings".

Good Luck, Racine!

86 posted on 11/23/2005 2:13:32 PM PST by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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"I agree that retired law enforcement professionals should be permitted to carry a concealed firearm as long as they follow state and federal laws and those policies presented to them by their former law enforcement agencies."

Lets see now; What you are saying is that the blood of these people is worth more that my blood. They can defend themselves but I cannot. Since the federal courts have stated many times that the police have NO requirement to protect the citizen, how is the citizen to protect his or her self from the scum that is permitted to walk our streets?

The states that allow concealed carry have a lower crime rate because of the right given them under the Constitution of the United States. You need to read the 2nd Amendment.
87 posted on 11/23/2005 2:13:53 PM PST by YOUGOTIT
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The cheeze-head cop should stick to cow tipping and yelling, "how bout dem packers, eh!"

Another example of the "new breed" of brain-washed law enforcement officer who is most likely a product of a Wisconsin government school.

Why doesen't this officer focus his enforcement on the gang infested areas of Racine instead of honest taxpaying citizens.


88 posted on 11/23/2005 2:17:28 PM PST by KeyLargo
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Another ignorant cop flapping his gums. He obviously took no time to do any research with respect to whether concealed carry lowers crime rates. He then continues his ignorance and hypocrisy by saying the retired law enforcement officers should able to carry. Why? If carrying by the average person is no help in reducing crime rates, then retired officers should suck up the same exposure to running around disarmed.
94 posted on 11/23/2005 2:24:23 PM PST by Myrddin
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"Allowing Wisconsin residents to carry concealed firearms exercise their constitutional rights may not reduce crime."

I took the liberty of correcting the author's typo.

97 posted on 11/23/2005 2:27:05 PM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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Invincible ignorance on parade.

It doesn't matter what he "feels", getting more firearms into the capable hands of the general public, slows, then reduces, crime; every time.

Turns out that vermin prefer to feed upon the weak, firearms scare said animals. It speaks the one and only language that all of these animals understand, the iron fist of raw FORCE.

No body ever raped a .38 .
101 posted on 11/23/2005 2:33:45 PM PST by porkchops 4 mahound ("Si vis pacem, para bellum", If you wish peace, prepare for war.)
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To: jdege; Dan from Michigan; neverdem; MHGinTN
He lies.

(About concealed carry RESULTS (actual before-vs-after) crimes rates, kill rates, and assault rates. As do almost ALL liberals on almost EEVRY position they stake. Making "assumptions" about future "crime waves" while ignoring what really has happened after dozens of concealed carry laws HAVE been successful in defending innocent civilians.

And so, I wonder, is the writer REALLY a Racine police officer, or only PRETENDING to be statistically equal to some Racine police officer?

104 posted on 11/23/2005 2:38:16 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: Adam A. Meyers Racine, Wis.

Earth to Adam...The bad guys ALREADY carry guns!!!

111 posted on 11/23/2005 2:40:27 PM PST by wireman
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This guy is entitled to his opinion. If carrying weapons concealed is a bad idea, they can start by enacting policies at the police department to disarm off-duty cops. After all, if concealed carry doesn't prevent crime, there's no need for cops to carry off duty, is there?

Dang, that shoe sure pinches when it's on the other foot...


117 posted on 11/23/2005 2:41:55 PM PST by VaGunGuy
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"I strongly support the ability for people to defend themselves, but I don’t believe that carrying a concealed firearm is the only way to accomplish this."

Then no gun for you either, copper.


122 posted on 11/23/2005 2:44:50 PM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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I am a police officer with the Racine Police Department and...

...will be running for public office as a Democrat.

123 posted on 11/23/2005 2:45:15 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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Have you ever noticed how Police Officers who are against anyone else carrying concealed weapons, never go anywhere without theirs? When they go on vacation they go armed. When they go to the store they go armed.When they go to a party they go armed. Inside or outside their own jurisdiction. They rely on the Police in other places to look the other way because they are police officers.Mostly if they carry off-duty its always concealed.


126 posted on 11/23/2005 2:46:35 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (The Dems are willing to throw the game in Iraq, just to embarrass President Bush)
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Good afternoon.
"Carrying a concealed firearm and deciding to shoot another human being is different from what is perceived on television, in the movies or while playing a video game."

I wonder if this Barney Fife has ever had to fire his weapon at anything but paper. He sounds like he is lecturing children in grade school, and he clearly has no regard for the intelligence and courage of the average citizen.

He's also either not very well informed about the affect of CCW on crime rates or he is a liar.

Before anyone listens to this cop's opinion of CCW, they should watch the film of the Compton PD shooting up an SUV.

Michael Frazier
129 posted on 11/23/2005 2:49:12 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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Wonderful pro-gun comments - to the choir. Write the fool and his news-rag.


132 posted on 11/23/2005 2:51:24 PM PST by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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I took some personal security training and the whole concept was different than anything I had been through before in military, law enforcement and civilian weapons training where the emphases is on safety. In these course we carried loaded weapons at all times. we were even told to shoot a targets with the instructors standing next to them. Most of the time when a terrorist attacks he is within 3 to ten feet and there are usually other people close by so that is not the time to worry if you can hit the bastard without hitting an innocent bystander. No one in the class was under 25 years of age and many had 10 to 20 years experience using firearms.

When your on the job, as I was in Iraq, you went everywhere armed, locked and loaded. You never new when the terrorist were going to strike or what the circumstances would be, you were ready all the time. When we got back to the hotel at night we slept with loaded rifles and pistols beside our beds.

I know thats a lot different than what most people are used to and how they have been trained but I am glad I got the chance to go through a course where we were treated like professionals and adults.
136 posted on 11/23/2005 2:56:38 PM PST by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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Mr. Meyers, I don't know about Wisconsin, but in Alaska applicants for a Concealed Carry license take an intensive full week end course on the care and handling of a firearm, the legalities regarding its use, and marksmanship training. To date the only concealed carry citizen to fall afoul of the law did so because he received a traffic ticket and failed to inform the arresting officer that he was a concealed carry permit holder. If he had, the policeman would probably let him off with a warning, such is the reputation of Alaska concealed carry permit holders. Nobody is under the illusion that carrying a hand gun equates to a video game or a TV show.
An increase in firearms on the streets and in the homes is not ipso facto a bad thing as long as those in possession of firearms are responsible citizens. Alaska has recently done away with the requirement for classroom time, certification and licensure for concealed carry. I might anticipate an increase in gun crime as a result, but so far crime has not spiked appreciable.
I do think its a bad thing when good policemen don't trust good citizens.
139 posted on 11/23/2005 3:00:59 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops...)
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that retired law enforcement professionals should be permitted to carry a concealed firearm

translation...My grampa is a retired cop and my papa is about to retire and I just got my badge and I need them to protect me...

141 posted on 11/23/2005 3:02:22 PM PST by tubebender (Why is it we never have time to visit family when they are alive but can always make their funerals)
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"I agree that retired law enforcement professionals should be permitted to carry a concealed firearm.."

Then Officer ADAM A. MEYERS goes on to say...

"I believe that there is no credible evidence that carrying a concealed firearm reduces crime.."

Well, Officer ADAM A. MEYERS, which is it? Your arguments are based on "the one hand" and then "on the other hand". Just what is the difference between a trained lawful citizen and a retired LEO? Is a retired LEO more responsible than a citizen, or is that just your biased opinion, Officer Meyers?

Ever since 10 Los Angeles County Sheriff Deputies emptied more than 120 rounds from their service pistols into an unarmed suspects vehicle, wounding him non-fatally four times, I do not believe that law enforcement personel can lay claim to any special firearms knowledge or wisdom or restraint.

143 posted on 11/23/2005 3:05:59 PM PST by elbucko
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