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Allowing concealed guns a bad idea
Coulee News ^ | November 23, 2005 | ADAM A. MEYERS

Posted on 11/23/2005 1:30:56 PM PST by jdege

Allowing concealed guns a bad idea

By ADAM A. MEYERS Racine, Wis.

I am a police officer with the Racine Police Department and a part-time police officer for another community in Racine County. This is strictly my opinion and I am not speaking on behalf of the communities or law enforcement agencies that employ me.

The Wisconsin law against carrying a concealed firearm has worked effectively for over 130 years. Deciding to pass a concealed carry law in Wisconsin that will allow almost every adult to carry a concealed firearm is a potentially dangerous decision.

Carrying a concealed firearm and deciding to shoot another human being is different from what is perceived on television, in the movies or while playing a video game. Allowing Wisconsin residents to carry concealed firearms may not reduce crime. If anything, crime may increase and there will be, without a doubt, more firearms in our homes and on our streets.

I strongly support the ability for people to defend themselves, but I don’t believe that carrying a concealed firearm is the only way to accomplish this. There are a lot of responsibilities that come with carrying a concealed firearm and being able to effectively use it against someone in their self-defense or in the defense of another human being.

I agree that retired law enforcement professionals should be permitted to carry a concealed firearm as long as they follow state and federal laws and those policies presented to them by their former law enforcement agencies.

I believe that there is no credible evidence that carrying a concealed firearm reduces crime and that passing a concealed carry law in Wisconsin will do more harm than good.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
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To: jdege
Invincible ignorance on parade.

It doesn't matter what he "feels", getting more firearms into the capable hands of the general public, slows, then reduces, crime; every time.

Turns out that vermin prefer to feed upon the weak, firearms scare said animals. It speaks the one and only language that all of these animals understand, the iron fist of raw FORCE.

No body ever raped a .38 .
101 posted on 11/23/2005 2:33:45 PM PST by porkchops 4 mahound ("Si vis pacem, para bellum", If you wish peace, prepare for war.)
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To: adamsjas

You kinda wonder if he has any objective verifiable evidence to support his silly conclusions.


102 posted on 11/23/2005 2:34:24 PM PST by Busywhiskers ("...moral principle, the sine qua non of an orderly society." --Judge Edith H. Jones)
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To: radar101
FACT: In Southern California, if you cal 911, you get put on hold for 15 or more minutes. By that time, your intruder will have killed you

I can confirm that response time for San Diego City PD. I heard banging and pounding on my front door at 1:30 AM. My dogs were going crazy and the pounding still didn't stop. I removed my .357 mag from the 5-button safe and called 911. Just over 15 minutes later I received a call from the PD dispatch. The officers arrived and found a very large dog pounding away at my front door. I returned the .357 to the safe, opened the door and thanked the officers for the response.

If the party pounding at the door had been a human burglar, the sequence of events may have turned out very differently. Still, the response was far too slow for me to discard the option of having my firearm at the ready if the intruder managed to get past the locked doors and dogs.

103 posted on 11/23/2005 2:35:30 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: jdege; Dan from Michigan; neverdem; MHGinTN
He lies.

(About concealed carry RESULTS (actual before-vs-after) crimes rates, kill rates, and assault rates. As do almost ALL liberals on almost EEVRY position they stake. Making "assumptions" about future "crime waves" while ignoring what really has happened after dozens of concealed carry laws HAVE been successful in defending innocent civilians.

And so, I wonder, is the writer REALLY a Racine police officer, or only PRETENDING to be statistically equal to some Racine police officer?

104 posted on 11/23/2005 2:38:16 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: CodeToad
Leave it to Bushmaster to find a solution. I'm sure that it won't make the approved list for retail sale before the socialist gun grabbers pass a special bill to outlaw that model or direct Bill Lockyer to spew forth a bureaucratic prohibition. Nice try.
105 posted on 11/23/2005 2:38:50 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Third Order
America is no longer the country it used to be. There are millions of people living in the U.S. from third world countries and elsewhere. These people come from a lower social, educational, economic and cultural level and cannot be trusted to carry a concealed gun.

The population of the U. S. is no longer one that has respect for law and order and for individual responsibility. As a civilization we have gone back into the past. It's called multiculturalism.

Such a populace must be ruled by iron police-state laws and given no room for making individual judgments.

Only those Americans who can show citizenship, and pass a strict means test that shows high repute should be allowed to carry.

Sad but true.
106 posted on 11/23/2005 2:39:18 PM PST by R.W.Ratikal (-)
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To: Third Order

I strongly support the ability for people to defend themselves, but I don’t believe that carrying a concealed firearm is the only way to accomplish this.

SO WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST OFFICER???? Another idiot who understands better than I on how to defend myself. It's always nice when someone suggests the above but provides no answer how how I should accomplish this task. Perhaps I should dial 911 while peeing on the nice criminal? Idiot!!


107 posted on 11/23/2005 2:39:19 PM PST by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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To: Third Order

America is no longer the country it used to be. There are millions of people living in the U.S. from third world countries and elsewhere. These people come from a lower social, educational, economic and cultural level and cannot be trusted to carry a concealed gun.

The population of the U. S. is no longer one that has respect for law and order and for individual responsibility. As a civilization we have gone back into the past. It's called multiculturalism.

Such a populace must be ruled by iron police-state laws and given no room for making individual judgments.

Only those Americans who can show citizenship, and pass a strict means test that shows high repute should be allowed to carry.

Sad but true.


108 posted on 11/23/2005 2:39:49 PM PST by R.W.Ratikal (-)
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To: Third Order

America is no longer the country it used to be. There are millions of people living in the U.S. from third world countries and elsewhere. These people come from a lower social, educational, economic and cultural level and cannot be trusted to carry a concealed gun.

The population of the U. S. is no longer one that has respect for law and order and for individual responsibility. As a civilization we have gone back into the past. It's called multiculturalism.

Such a populace must be ruled by iron police-state laws and given no room for making individual judgments.

Only those Americans who can show citizenship, and pass a strict means test that shows high repute should be allowed to carry.

Sad but true.


109 posted on 11/23/2005 2:40:03 PM PST by R.W.Ratikal (-)
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To: Third Order

America is no longer the country it used to be. There are millions of people living in the U.S. from third world countries and elsewhere. These people come from a lower social, educational, economic and cultural level and cannot be trusted to carry a concealed gun.

The population of the U. S. is no longer one that has respect for law and order and for individual responsibility. As a civilization we have gone back into the past. It's called multiculturalism.

Such a populace must be ruled by iron police-state laws and given no room for making individual judgments.

Only those Americans who can show citizenship, and pass a strict means test that shows high repute should be allowed to carry.

Sad but true.


110 posted on 11/23/2005 2:40:16 PM PST by R.W.Ratikal (-)
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To: jdege
To: Adam A. Meyers Racine, Wis.

Earth to Adam...The bad guys ALREADY carry guns!!!

111 posted on 11/23/2005 2:40:27 PM PST by wireman
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To: Third Order

America is no longer the country it used to be. There are millions of people living in the U.S. from third world countries and elsewhere. These people come from a lower social, educational, economic and cultural level and cannot be trusted to carry a concealed gun.

The population of the U. S. is no longer one that has respect for law and order and for individual responsibility. As a civilization we have gone back into the past. It's called multiculturalism.

Such a populace must be ruled by iron police-state laws and given no room for making individual judgments.

Only those Americans who can show citizenship, and pass a strict means test that shows high repute should be allowed to carry.

Sad but true.


112 posted on 11/23/2005 2:40:28 PM PST by R.W.Ratikal (-)
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To: Third Order

America is no longer the country it used to be. There are millions of people living in the U.S. from third world countries and elsewhere. These people come from a lower social, educational, economic and cultural level and cannot be trusted to carry a concealed gun.

The population of the U. S. is no longer one that has respect for law and order and for individual responsibility. As a civilization we have gone back into the past. It's called multiculturalism.

Such a populace must be ruled by iron police-state laws and given no room for making individual judgments.

Only those Americans who can show citizenship, and pass a strict means test that shows high repute should be allowed to carry.

Sad but true.


113 posted on 11/23/2005 2:40:48 PM PST by R.W.Ratikal (-)
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To: Third Order

America is no longer the country it used to be. There are millions of people living in the U.S. from third world countries and elsewhere. These people come from a lower social, educational, economic and cultural level and cannot be trusted to carry a concealed gun.

The population of the U. S. is no longer one that has respect for law and order and for individual responsibility. As a civilization we have gone back into the past. It's called multiculturalism.

Such a populace must be ruled by iron police-state laws and given no room for making individual judgments.

Only those Americans who can show citizenship, and pass a strict means test that shows high repute should be allowed to carry.

Sad but true.


114 posted on 11/23/2005 2:41:00 PM PST by R.W.Ratikal (-)
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To: Third Order

America is no longer the country it used to be. There are millions of people living in the U.S. from third world countries and elsewhere. These people come from a lower social, educational, economic and cultural level and cannot be trusted to carry a concealed gun.

The population of the U. S. is no longer one that has respect for law and order and for individual responsibility. As a civilization we have gone back into the past. It's called multiculturalism.

Such a populace must be ruled by iron police-state laws and given no room for making individual judgments.

Only those Americans who can show citizenship, and pass a strict means test that shows high repute should be allowed to carry.

Sad but true.


115 posted on 11/23/2005 2:41:14 PM PST by R.W.Ratikal (-)
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To: DogBarkTree
An armed society is a polite society. Ive heard more than once that more women in Texas carry than any other state. Texas also has the lowest rates on assault on women.

I have carried concealed since 1995....in Texas.

Haven't had to shoot one human being as of today...hope I never have to...

I will not cower and beg for my life or that of my family.....I WILL DEFEND MY LOVED ONES.....

I did have to expose it to a drug-crazed attacker swinging a baseball bat at me in a mall parking lot at night...but never had to touch or remove it from my holster....

He seemed to understand that I was unimpressed with his Babe Ruth impersonation.....

116 posted on 11/23/2005 2:41:41 PM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: jdege

This guy is entitled to his opinion. If carrying weapons concealed is a bad idea, they can start by enacting policies at the police department to disarm off-duty cops. After all, if concealed carry doesn't prevent crime, there's no need for cops to carry off duty, is there?

Dang, that shoe sure pinches when it's on the other foot...


117 posted on 11/23/2005 2:41:55 PM PST by VaGunGuy
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To: R.W.Ratikal

Why don't you repeat the exact same post another eight or ten times?


118 posted on 11/23/2005 2:42:05 PM PST by wireman
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To: R.W.Ratikal

Let up on the hammer huh?


119 posted on 11/23/2005 2:43:26 PM PST by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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To: ghostmonkey
At the same time, I can't help but wonder why so much hatred and invective posting comes from supposed conservative message boards for the Police.

Experience?

120 posted on 11/23/2005 2:44:02 PM PST by papertyger
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