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Allowing concealed guns a bad idea
Coulee News ^ | November 23, 2005 | ADAM A. MEYERS

Posted on 11/23/2005 1:30:56 PM PST by jdege

Allowing concealed guns a bad idea

By ADAM A. MEYERS Racine, Wis.

I am a police officer with the Racine Police Department and a part-time police officer for another community in Racine County. This is strictly my opinion and I am not speaking on behalf of the communities or law enforcement agencies that employ me.

The Wisconsin law against carrying a concealed firearm has worked effectively for over 130 years. Deciding to pass a concealed carry law in Wisconsin that will allow almost every adult to carry a concealed firearm is a potentially dangerous decision.

Carrying a concealed firearm and deciding to shoot another human being is different from what is perceived on television, in the movies or while playing a video game. Allowing Wisconsin residents to carry concealed firearms may not reduce crime. If anything, crime may increase and there will be, without a doubt, more firearms in our homes and on our streets.

I strongly support the ability for people to defend themselves, but I don’t believe that carrying a concealed firearm is the only way to accomplish this. There are a lot of responsibilities that come with carrying a concealed firearm and being able to effectively use it against someone in their self-defense or in the defense of another human being.

I agree that retired law enforcement professionals should be permitted to carry a concealed firearm as long as they follow state and federal laws and those policies presented to them by their former law enforcement agencies.

I believe that there is no credible evidence that carrying a concealed firearm reduces crime and that passing a concealed carry law in Wisconsin will do more harm than good.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; dope; rtc; shallissue; wisconsin
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To: Third Order
The AR 15 would not be my first, second or third choice for a rifle unless I was hunting prairie dogs.7.62 NATO(.308) in the mini 14 is a much better choice
81 posted on 11/23/2005 2:07:03 PM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: jdege
There are a lot of responsibilities that come with carrying a concealed firearm and being able to effectively use it

Trust us, Adam.... we're grownups. And the criminals don't wait for permission.

82 posted on 11/23/2005 2:07:52 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: jdege

-Allowing Wisconsin residents to carry concealed firearms may not reduce crime. If anything, crime may increase...-

In other words, he doesn't know. In other words, if nothing significant has happened elsewhere, he figures Wisconsonites are too irrantional to handle it either way. In other words, he doesn't give a rip about constitutional rights.


83 posted on 11/23/2005 2:09:24 PM PST by AmericanChef
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To: jdege
"If anything, crime may increase and there will be, without a doubt, more firearms in our homes and on our streets."

This is someone who doesn't trust the average citizen. A quick fact check of the number of crimes committed by concealed weapon permit holders and the number of crimes they have stopped should be enough reason for him to stfu. But why let facts get in the way of being a demonrat in favor of banning guns?

84 posted on 11/23/2005 2:09:24 PM PST by GBA (I believe Congressman Weldon! MSM do your job.)
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To: eastforker
7.62 NATO(.308) in the mini 14 is a much better choice

Sorry Homes...no such thing.

85 posted on 11/23/2005 2:09:44 PM PST by papertyger
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To: jdege
I am a police officer with the Racine Police Department and a part-time police officer for another community in Racine County.

I believe that there is no credible evidence that carrying a concealed firearm reduces crime...

Is it just me or does anyone else think that "Officer Adam" doesn't have a lot of years experience under his belt as a police officer? Freshly out of the academy, maybe?

Either that or he's got his eyes on the career ladder and has taken on the liberal higher up's views, since his nose has been so close to certain of their sphincters.

Just sounds like a young, gung-ho cowboy who has no life other than two police jobs.

Why do I get the impression that he will either 1) be on the wrong end of an IA investigation for "over eagerness" or 2) take every officer's exam and try to quickly climb the dept's ladder. Like a typical liberal, he "feels" and "believes" but doesn't have any facts or research to back up those feelings and beliefs.

Guess he needs a bit more time on the streets rather than as an officer making departmental decisions based upon his "feelings".

Good Luck, Racine!

86 posted on 11/23/2005 2:13:32 PM PST by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: jdege
"I agree that retired law enforcement professionals should be permitted to carry a concealed firearm as long as they follow state and federal laws and those policies presented to them by their former law enforcement agencies."

Lets see now; What you are saying is that the blood of these people is worth more that my blood. They can defend themselves but I cannot. Since the federal courts have stated many times that the police have NO requirement to protect the citizen, how is the citizen to protect his or her self from the scum that is permitted to walk our streets?

The states that allow concealed carry have a lower crime rate because of the right given them under the Constitution of the United States. You need to read the 2nd Amendment.
87 posted on 11/23/2005 2:13:53 PM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: jdege

The cheeze-head cop should stick to cow tipping and yelling, "how bout dem packers, eh!"

Another example of the "new breed" of brain-washed law enforcement officer who is most likely a product of a Wisconsin government school.

Why doesen't this officer focus his enforcement on the gang infested areas of Racine instead of honest taxpaying citizens.


88 posted on 11/23/2005 2:17:28 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: eastforker

".7.62 NATO(.308) in the mini 14 is a much better choice"

Huh? I'm sure you meant M14, right?


89 posted on 11/23/2005 2:18:16 PM PST by VRing
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To: Third Order

The bobbies in England do not carry weapons. At least that I remember. Might have changed recently.

I am suprised too.

Bumper sticker I saw a while back: "If we can't have guns can we use swords????????"


90 posted on 11/23/2005 2:19:31 PM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: papertyger

My bad , said mini 14 when I should have said M-14 or M-1.


91 posted on 11/23/2005 2:20:24 PM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: GrandEagle

Well I do prefer an exposed sidearm...
It really doesn't matter to me, but the libs really panic when they see you with one.


Yes, here in Charlotte's center city, a couple of occurences of young black men carrying in the open sent the police to the city council asking for new laws.


92 posted on 11/23/2005 2:20:55 PM PST by NC28203
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To: eastforker; VRing

Then again maybe it was wishfull thinking on my part for a Mini-14 in 7.62 nato.


93 posted on 11/23/2005 2:22:38 PM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: jdege
Another ignorant cop flapping his gums. He obviously took no time to do any research with respect to whether concealed carry lowers crime rates. He then continues his ignorance and hypocrisy by saying the retired law enforcement officers should able to carry. Why? If carrying by the average person is no help in reducing crime rates, then retired officers should suck up the same exposure to running around disarmed.
94 posted on 11/23/2005 2:24:23 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: KeyLargo
Why doesen't this officer focus his enforcement on the gang infested areas of Racine instead of honest taxpaying citizens.

Because the honest taxpaying citizens are far less likely to kill him?

95 posted on 11/23/2005 2:25:40 PM PST by magslinger (At the end of the day the only truly educated people are autodidacts.)
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To: RockinRight
Well I do prefer an exposed sidearm...

I carry exposed while hiking, concealed while shopping. Open carry in shopping areas and restaurants alarms some people. What they don't know doesn't alarm them.

96 posted on 11/23/2005 2:26:45 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: jdege
"Allowing Wisconsin residents to carry concealed firearms exercise their constitutional rights may not reduce crime."

I took the liberty of correcting the author's typo.

97 posted on 11/23/2005 2:27:05 PM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: goldstategop

You'd be amazed at how many of these idiots I've come across in my 31 yr. career in LE. They are sort of like a Democrat voting/supporting "veteran", watch 'em closely. They'd take away your lawfully owned firearms in a heartbeat I assure you.


98 posted on 11/23/2005 2:27:48 PM PST by brushcop (We lift up our military serving in harm's way and pray for total victory and a safe return.)
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To: RockinRight

There is a push here in Charlotte, NC by our city guvmint to outlaw carrying guns in plain sight. Too many folks decided this fool concealed weapon permit is a pain in the rear end and started carrying exposed.


99 posted on 11/23/2005 2:30:04 PM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: All
I post as a long time lurker, and member of other Conservative Message boards. I post as a long time law enforcement officer, die-hard Conservative, who is extremely supportive of the RKBA.

To address the LEO from Wisconsin. First off, I am quite sure that the Liberal Newspaper quoted him and his view point while they ignored many more letters containing the opposite viewpoint from other officers. They do this because his view supports their agenda.

The vast majority of street officers support the rights of Citizens to Keep and Bear Arms. They do this because they realize that the police cannot be everywhere, and the criminals fear an armed citizen more than anything else.

Concealed Carry Laws do in fact reduce crime. In the age of terrorism, they can be a national security provision (kinda hard for a terrorist to shoot up a shopping mall if they are going to be getting lead slung back their way.)

At the same time, I can't help but wonder why so much hatred and invective posting comes from supposed conservative message boards for the Police. Many of the same stuff that can be read on hard-core anarchist webboards can be seen spewing from the mouths of supposed Conservatives on many of the boards on the web. (IE: Jackboots, Pigs, Fascists, Elitist, Ect...)

While perhaps much of the opposition to police on conservative boards comes from pseudo-conservative libertarians (who by default usually are very Anti-LEO), there are others who are simply mislead into thinking that the Police are out to get them and restrict their freedom.

The Police are not the enemy, as I said above, the vast majority of the Street Officers support the RKBA, for that matter, most Street Officers also tend to be very Conservative on most political issues.

Focus on the real enemies, those being the ACLU/Communist/Liberal types who also hate the Police and who want to restrict your freedom and RKBA.

100 posted on 11/23/2005 2:32:34 PM PST by ghostmonkey
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