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Bush at the Tipping Point
msnbc.msn.com - Newsweek ^ | Nov. 28, 2005 issue | Howard Fineman

Posted on 11/21/2005 1:20:05 PM PST by Mo1

A hawkish Democrat calls for an Iraq withdrawal, setting off a bitter fight in Washington over how, and when, the troops should come home.

As friends describe it, Rep. Jack Murtha of Pennsylvania had been searching his soul for months, seeking guidance on what to do in Congress about Iraq. "I think he was going through what we Catholics call a 'long night of the soul'," said Rep. Rosa DeLauro of Connecticut.

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Which was precisely what the Democratic leadership wanted Murtha to do. A close ally, Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, was anxious to open a second axis of attack on Iraq—and was aware of his growing antagonism toward the war. The two met and agreed that he would make his case in private to the party conference. After that, on his own, he would introduce a resolution calling for withdrawal of troops from Iraq "at the earliest practicable date." Pelosi and the other liberals would keep their distance, while their own Marine charged up the Hill. Framed by long rows of American flags at a press conference, he denounced the Iraq war as a "flawed policy wrapped in an illusion."

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; democrats; fineman; murtha; pelonsi; pelosi; wot
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To: wideawake

Thank you. It couldn't have been put any better.


41 posted on 11/21/2005 1:49:21 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Mo1
A hawkish Democrat calls for an Iraq withdrawal..

Hawkish Democrat is a contradiction in terms!!

42 posted on 11/21/2005 1:51:11 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: jwalsh07

Catholic, MURDER/(abortion)don't cut it delauro. No way...no how not to mention DECENCY,.


43 posted on 11/21/2005 1:54:39 PM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He's done more for our country than we will ever know. He's the man!)
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To: wideawake

Amen to that!!!!


44 posted on 11/21/2005 1:55:27 PM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He's done more for our country than we will ever know. He's the man!)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Dems aren't "Hawkish"

As Fineman points out .. this was nothing but a political stunt thought up by Nancy Pelosi


45 posted on 11/21/2005 1:55:52 PM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: Mo1

No mention in the article about Murtha calling for cutting and running from Somalia as well. Murtha is not "hawkish."


46 posted on 11/21/2005 1:57:44 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: armydawg1
Pure B*ll S**t. This guy called for withdrawal last year and also called for withdrawal from Somalia when that was going on. To say that he was soul searching is crap. This guy is a Defeatist from way back.

This is how Murtha viewed Iraq in March 2004.

Murtha's law........ Monday, March 8, 2004

47 posted on 11/21/2005 1:58:07 PM PST by Polybius
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To: MNJohnnie

I've noticed many of these dim/lib "editorials" written since the Friday night vote are still along these lines. It looks like the official position is going to be to pretend it never happened.


48 posted on 11/21/2005 1:58:11 PM PST by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: Sensei Ern
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49 posted on 11/21/2005 1:58:45 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Mo1

"As friends describe it, Rep. Jack Murtha of Pennsylvania had been searching his soul for months, seeking guidance on what to do in Congress about Iraq. "I think he was going through what we Catholics call a 'long night of the soul'," said Rep. Rosa DeLauro of Connecticut."

TRANSLATION: Harry Reid and his "associates" were pressuring Murtha, wiht his miltary background, to stab Bush and American in the back for cheap political points.


50 posted on 11/21/2005 1:59:15 PM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Let's Roll
I've noticed many of these dim/lib "editorials" written since the Friday night vote

You forget the pace of the Dinosaur Media. I bet most of these were written before they took off for the weekend and they had to run them since they had nothing else. Voting Friday Nite was brilliant PR

51 posted on 11/21/2005 1:59:33 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Cowards cut and run, Marines never do" Congresswoman Jean Schmidt (Rep-Ohio))
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To: Mo1

The only "tipping point" I have seen in the last 3 weeks is that Bush, Cheney, and the GOP are now fighting back instead of getting their butts handed to them and acting like punchng bags for the leftists. BTW - This "tipping point" reference is what liberals are referring to as Bush's impeachment.


52 posted on 11/21/2005 2:00:08 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Polybius

Much of the same stuff he repeated the other day and it was reported as a groundbreaking speech. He's also stuck in a time warp, referring to the same trip he had taken that long ago as current.


53 posted on 11/21/2005 2:01:40 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Mo1
...he denounced the Iraq war as a "flawed policy wrapped in an illusion."

Sounds like he went to the David Ferrie (JFK) school of sound clips: "It's a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma!"

54 posted on 11/21/2005 2:03:26 PM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: Mo1

That would make more sense!!


55 posted on 11/21/2005 2:04:48 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: SlowBoat407

Well said!


56 posted on 11/21/2005 2:05:09 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: PeterFinn
Murtha is just another in a long line of American traitors going back to Benedict Arnold.

Murtha is just another in a long line of Dimm useful idiots who proved to be merely idiots. You can almost hear the Dimm caucus yelling "Next!".

57 posted on 11/21/2005 2:07:50 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Mo1

So he was used?


58 posted on 11/21/2005 2:10:10 PM PST by Howlin ("Victory is not a strategy. " ``Jack Murtha 11/18/05)
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To: ZULU

Precisely.


59 posted on 11/21/2005 2:10:28 PM PST by Howlin ("Victory is not a strategy. " ``Jack Murtha 11/18/05)
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To: SlowBoat407
Actually, it's the "Dark night of the soul", and it has little to do with politics. It's more about feeling like God is no longer with you.

Thank's for making that correction. When non-Christians try to play Christian, it is usually unintentionally funny.

60 posted on 11/21/2005 2:11:11 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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