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City refutes worst U.S. crime ranking [Camden]
UPI ^ | 11/21/2005

Posted on 11/21/2005 9:02:00 AM PST by ncountylee

CAMDEN, N.J., Nov. 21 (UPI) -- City officials in Camden, N.J., are taking the offensive against a Kansas statistical firm that ranks Camden as the most dangerous city in the United States.

Monday, the Morgan Quitno firm released its annual ranking of dangerous cities based on six types of crime, and for the second year, Camden was first in the country among 354 cities.

The study analyzed the occurrence rates of murder, rape, aggravated assault, robbery, burglary and motor vehicle theft.

However, local officials told the Camden Courier-Post the latest rankings use figures from 2004, and overlook improvements made in 2005.

"Last year is old news. The ranking is not an appropriate measure of where we stand today," said Camden County Prosecutor Vincent Sarubbi.

Camden Chief Operating Officer Randy Primas said the Marriott hotel chain backed out of plans to build a hotel downtown after last year's ranking was announced.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: camden; camdencounty; moosesisterbadthings; newjersey; nj; njsp; toilet
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To: ncountylee

I think their last mayor or city manager is under indictment for some kind of graft, too -- just in case anyone had any illusions about Camden.


21 posted on 11/21/2005 9:30:37 AM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: Cat loving Texan

Gary, Indiana, Gary Indiana, Gary, Indiana,
Let me say it once again.
Gary, Indiana, Gary, Indiana, Gary, Indiana,
That's the town that "knew me when."

If you'd like to have a logical explanation
How I happened on this elegant syncopation,
I will say without a moment of hesitation
There is just one place
That can light my face.
Gary, Indiana,
Gary Indiana,

Not Louisiana, Paris, France, New York, or Rome,
but Gary, Indiana,
Gary, Indiana,
Gary Indiana,
My home sweet home.


22 posted on 11/21/2005 9:30:50 AM PST by cowtowney
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To: ncountylee

I think you can put New Orleans now as one of the safest cities in America.


23 posted on 11/21/2005 9:32:40 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: TNCMAXQ
Oddly enough, Camden used to be a heck of a lot worse. Crime is down in the city over the last 25 years mainly because more and more of the city's buildings have been razed or burned to the ground over that time.

There are parts of Newark that have undergone a similar "renaissaince" over that period of time.

24 posted on 11/21/2005 9:32:44 AM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: indcons
the Camden tourist area

That's pretty funny.

25 posted on 11/21/2005 9:34:14 AM PST by bkepley
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To: bkepley

LOL....I guess that was a wrong choice of words.

The Camden aquarium is actually quite nice.....pity it is located on the other side of Philly.


26 posted on 11/21/2005 9:36:19 AM PST by indcons ("Not all muslims are terrorists; however, all terrorists today are muslims." - George Fernandez)
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To: bkepley
Camden indeed has a substantial tourist area, a waterfront opposite Philadelphia which includes the Battleship New Jersey, Aquarium, Riversharks baseball, marina, and upscale condos, to name a few. Been there many times for perfectly fine events. Cooper hospital also has fine doctors and is spreading out to the suburbs.

The rest of Camden is poor and luckily small, you can be out of Camden and into perfectly nice surrounding communities in a matter of minutes.

27 posted on 11/21/2005 9:38:53 AM PST by Williams
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To: frogjerk
More idiotic hell hole talk. Camden is an American city, and I have visited the New Jersey many times. It's here for the entire region and we're damn proud of it.

I guess you want the New Jersey docked off New York or San Francisco? Even putting aside the fact that it's the New Jersey, do you really prefer those anti-military cities?

28 posted on 11/21/2005 9:42:29 AM PST by Williams
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To: indcons

Didn't they close the Camden aquarium when the moose ran away?


29 posted on 11/21/2005 9:44:12 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: Cat loving Texan

Hmm, something is similar about the crime-ridden cities...can't quite put my finger on it...


30 posted on 11/21/2005 9:44:59 AM PST by Aznar5
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To: ncountylee

Camden's incidences of murder, rape, aggravated assault, robbery, burglary and motor vehicle theft are all metaphorical and should not be taken out of context.


31 posted on 11/21/2005 9:45:31 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: ncountylee

On the one hand, a 40% reduction in crime is very significant, especially if this occurs in temporal association with major overhauls in law enforcement (since that suggests that there is a substantial reason for the reduction, not just a fluke). On the other hand, such bounces are not rare, and impartiality requires a "just the facts" sort of approach to such rankings since they AREN'T rare; if they aren't outliers, who is to say when an asterisk is deserved?

So, no, I don't think an asterisk is reasonable. On the other hand, I do believe that Morgan Quitno might have noted the reduction in crime in subsequent press dealings: The news stories are obviously going to look at a declaration that "Trenton, NJ repeats as most dangerous" as a lede, and if it's a misleading lede, Morgan Quitno can prevent that misinformation.


32 posted on 11/21/2005 9:50:43 AM PST by dangus
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To: LdSentinal

>> Didn't they close the Camden aquarium when the moose ran away? <<

It didn't run away; they claimed insufficient funds and they let it loose. Talk about reckless behavior from government officials; Hungry moose can be dangerous! My sister is contemplating a lawsuit.


33 posted on 11/21/2005 9:52:49 AM PST by dangus
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To: TravisBickle
You and I both know why STL is on that list and ranked so high.
34 posted on 11/21/2005 9:54:13 AM PST by Mulch (tm)
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To: Cat loving Texan

Go for broke! Here's the entire list:


OVERALL: (369 cities)
SAFEST 25: MOST DANGEROUS 25:
1 Newton, MA 1 Camden, NJ
2 Clarkstown, NY 2 Detroit, MI
3 Amherst, NY 3 St. Louis, MO
4 Mission Viejo, CA 4 Flint, MI
5 Brick Twnshp, NJ 5 Richmond, VA
6 Troy, MI 6 Baltimore, MD
7 Thousand Oaks, CA 7 Atlanta, GA
8 Round Rock, TX 8 New Orleans, LA
9 Lake Forest, CA 9 Gary, IN
10 Cary, NC 10 Birmingham, AL
11 Colonie, NY 11 Richmond, CA
12 Fargo, ND 12 Cleveland, OH
13 Irvine, CA 13 Washington, DC
14 Orem, UT 14 West Palm Beach, FL
15 Dover Twnshp, NJ 15 Compton, CA
16 Warwick, RI 16 Memphis, TN
17 Sunnyvale, CA 17 Dayton, OH
18 Hamilton Twnshp, NJ 18 San Bernardino, CA
19 Parma, OH 19 Springfield, MA
20 Canton Twnshp, MI 20 Cincinnati, OH
21 Greece, NY 21 Oakland, CA
22 Simi Valley, CA 22 Dallas, TX
23 Coral Springs, FL 23 Newark, NJ
24 Port St. Lucie, FL 24 Hartford, CT
25 Centennial, CO 25 Little Rock, AR


CITIES OF 500,000 OR MORE POPULATION: (32 cities)
Safest 10: Most Dangerous 10:
1 San Jose, CA 1 Detroit, MI
2 El Paso, TX 2 Baltimore, MD
3 Honolulu, HI 3 Washington, DC
4 New York, NY 4 Memphis, TN
5 Austin, TX 5 Dallas, TX
6 San Diego, CA 6 Philadelphia, PA
7 Louisville, KY 7 Columbus, OH
8 San Antonio, TX 8 Nashville, TN
9 Fort Worth, TX 9 Houston, TX
10 Jacksonville, FL 10 Charlotte, NC

CITIES OF 100,000 TO 499,999 POPULATION: (208 cities)
Safest 10: Most Dangerous 10:
1 Amherst, NY 1 St. Louis, MO
2 Thousand Oaks, CA 2 Flint, MI
3 Cary, NC 3 Richmond, VA
4 Irvine, CA 4 Atlanta, GA
5 Sunnyvale, CA 5 New Orleans, LA
6 Simi Valley, CA 6 Gary, IN
7 Coral Springs, FL 7 Birmingham, AL
8 Port St. Lucie, FL 8 Richmond, CA
9 Glendale, CA 9 Cleveland, OH
10 Provo, UT 10 Dayton, OH

CITIES OF 75,000 TO 99,999 POPULATION: (129 cities)
Safest 10: Most Dangerous 10:
1 Newton, MA 1 Camden, NJ
2 Clarkstown, NY 2 West Palm Beach, FL
3 Mission Viejo, CA 3 Compton, CA
4 Brick Twnshp, NJ 4 Trenton, NJ
5 Troy, MI 5 Reading, PA
6 Round Rock, TX 6 Canton, OH
7 Lake Forest, CA 7 Youngstown, OH
8 Colonie, NY 8 Miami Beach, FL
9 Fargo, ND 9 North Charleston, SC
10 Orem, UT 10 Macon, GA*


OVERALL (330 METROPOLITAN AREAS):
Safest 25: Most Dangerous 25:
1 Logan, UT-ID 1 Detroit-Livonia-Dearborn, MI M.D.
2 Fond du Lac, WI 2 New Orleans, LA
3 Glens Falls, NY 3 Memphis, TN-MS-AR
4 Appleton, WI 4 Sumter, SC
5 Sheboygan, WI 5 Miami-Dade County, FL M.D.
6 Columbus, IN 6 Stockton, CA
7 La Crosse, WI-MN 7 Las Vegas-Paradise, NV
8 Oshkosh-Neenah, WI 8 Florence, SC
9 Bangor, ME 9 Hot Springs, AR
10 Bismarck, ND 10 Myrtle Beach, SC
11 Eau Claire, WI 11 Pine Bluff, AR
12 State College, PA 12 Flint, MI
13 Binghamton, NY 13 Saginaw, MI
14 Wausau, WI 14 Little Rock, AR
15 Fargo, ND-MN 15 Tucson, AZ
16 Nassau-Suffolk, NY M.D. 16 Modesto, CA
17 Portland, ME 17 Albuquerque, NM
18 Rockingham County, NH M.D. 18 Jackson, TN
19 Edison, NJ M.D. 19 Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, NC-SC
20 Williamsport, PA 20 Baltimore-Towson, MD
21 Owensboro, KY 21 Wichita Falls, TX
22 Elizabethtown, KY 22 Houston, TX
23 Jefferson City, MO 23 Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ
24 Harrisonburg, VA 24 Tallahassee, FL
25 Rochester, MN 25 Los Angeles County, CA M.D.


35 posted on 11/21/2005 9:58:22 AM PST by dangus
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To: LdSentinal
Didn't they close the Camden aquarium when the moose ran away?

I am not aware of this story....sounds fascinating. Do you have a link or some background information?
36 posted on 11/21/2005 10:02:15 AM PST by indcons ("Not all muslims are terrorists; however, all terrorists today are muslims." - George Fernandez)
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To: ncountylee

Fox News is covering this story RIGHT NOW.


37 posted on 11/21/2005 10:02:48 AM PST by indcons ("Not all muslims are terrorists; however, all terrorists today are muslims." - George Fernandez)
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To: indcons

/s. My bad.


38 posted on 11/21/2005 10:02:59 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: All

Oops....that was WABC Radio.


39 posted on 11/21/2005 10:03:35 AM PST by indcons ("Not all muslims are terrorists; however, all terrorists today are muslims." - George Fernandez)
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To: LdSentinal
/s. My bad.

Not really......the fact that something so bizarre can be attributed to Camden (even if it is sarcasm) speaks volumes about that city.
40 posted on 11/21/2005 10:05:20 AM PST by indcons ("Not all muslims are terrorists; however, all terrorists today are muslims." - George Fernandez)
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