House rejects troop pullout; Dems decry vote (Rep. Ford yells repub's making uncalled for attacks)

AP ^ | November 19, 2005 | AP

[chgomac]

The only "stunt" played out last night is the on-going one of the democrats using the troops as political fodder. In order to appear strong on defense, they vote one way and then do everything they can to demean and demoralize the troops they have sent into harms way.

The dems overwhelmingly voted for the change of Iraq regime in 1998. Then in the WOT, the dems voted again approving the liberation of Iraq. They vote for military action, but once it starts, the dems turn on the troops and squeal about prison abuse, too many casualties, not enough armor, bad strategy, lying commander in chief, this is the wrong war!

[WideGlide]

Good – called their bluff. With all the rhetoric about pulling out, few wanted to go on record as wishing to raise the French Flag.

"Hey! I wesent that wemawk about the Fwench Fag!" - Barney Fwank (D) Massachusetts

[wayoverontheright]

It is critical to remember that the Democrat Party thrives on a bad economy - - what they want more than anything else is an economic recession in which people lose their jobs, their homes, and their savings.

As difficult as it is to believe, what you say is so true.

I have pondered many times as to not only why this is true, but HOW it can become a politically tenable position. I think I have the answer.

The Democratic constituencey is composed of public sector employees, teachers, welfare and other recipients of tax-transfer payments, journalists, and union bosses. In short, these are people for whom PROSPERITY IS SOMETHING WHICH HAPPENS TO EVERYBODY ELSE.

Unlike the contractor, or the car salesman, the construction worker, or anyone who depends on commercial activity for their livlihood and their economic status, these people must vote in those who would vote for, what they receive monetarily. Upturns in economic activity is a tide which raises all boats...except theirs. ENVY is the operative emotion here. This huge and growing constituency has to sit back in stasis economically while EVERYONE ELSE benefits disproportionately, in their eyes, from GDP growth.

This is why policies like tax cuts which "go to" our nation's employers and investors are seen as anathema to their interests, as they are indeed mired in a zero-sum predicament, IMHO.

[BTCM]

Just because someone serves many years in the military and the reserves does not make them a hero. Unfortunately, some officers and senior enlisted remain in the military because they know darn well they can't make it in civilian life. During my 26 years I encountered many more than my share of these zeros. As for the present dust up with Mr. Murtha, he was whining to Chrissie Boy Mathews about the war long before now. He claims to have 37 years in the Marines and he's a Lt. Col.? A real rate grabber! I'm not questioning his service, remember Adm. Stockdale, things happen to the brain in many people when you get older. As for Imus's butt buddy, Mr. Ford, he needs to go back and hide in the woodpile as he is not ready for grown up conversations/

[montag813]

"Our troops have become the enemy. We need to change direction in Iraq," said Rep. John Murtha

Our troops are always the "enemy" to enemy forces when we invade a nation, you old fool. I can't believe this guy is a veteran.

[ThirstyMan]

Murtha proposed an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, the idea is put to a vote, it's voted down, and the Democrats are still seething with hate.

My oh my, how painfully difficult it is for the Dims to be asked to vote on their own trash talking words.
Now they're on public record, "Yes, I voted against the immediate troop withdrawal, BUT I've spent months criticizing the war effort and suggesting immediate withdrawal."
Oh boy!

Rep. Harold Ford, D-Tenn., charged across the chamber's center aisle screaming...

[Atlantian]

A thread last night said that Murtha received his purple hearts for two wounds, one above his left eye and another one on his cheek. Neither involved hospitalization.

[stocksthatgoup]

Democrat Screams are the true barometer of Success.

[wingman1]

"Personally, I want to see him get the nomination so we can utterly destroy him statewide."

My sentiments too. No doubt he will get the DUmmies nomination.

[wingman1]

"One simple question: If Clinton were President and we were fighting in Iraq, would Murtha and his merry band of Liberal pals be waving the white flag?"

The DUmmies have politicized this war. They want us to lose. The answer to your question is no.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Hoisted on their own petard.

[tet68]

Welcome to FR.
Nice post.
The democrats rhetoric rings hollow because THEY are empty
shells filled with hate and guilt.

[Clara Lou]

It was entertaining to see all those Democrat feathers flying. They don't take backfires well, do they?

[BlueYonder]

The Democratic constituencey is composed of public sector employees, teachers, welfare and other recipients of tax-transfer payments, journalists, and union bosses.

All true but don't omit government workers from the list. I have a friend who works for the federal government. He is a staunch DimRat because, he says, he gets better pay increases under Rat administrations. Quite a deep thinker and patriot. LOL.

[Right Wing Assault]

Recent Gallup poll on Presidennt Bush said:

................Approve......Disapprove
Economy.........37.............61

HUH?

Probably the dumba$$e$ equate high gas prices for a few weeks with a bad economy. And, of course, the high gas prices were whose fault?

[randita]

You did great! Welcome to FR and keep your insights coming as they are thoughtful and backed up with facts.

[R. Scott]

[Right Wing Assault]

The NO and PRESENT are pretty much Progressive Caucus. Surprise!

[lstanle]

"Good – called their bluff. With all the rhetoric about pulling out, few wanted to go on record as wishing to raise the French Flag."

I wonder how many house members have one of those "Out of Iraq Now" bumper stickers on their car.

[lstanle]

"Democrats said it was a political move and quickly decided to vote against it in an attempt to drain it of significance."

The significance of the vote is that the dems can run around yelling "Out of Iraq Now" but don't have the guts to go on the public record by voting to Get Out of Iraq Now.