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What’s wrong with cutting and running?
Nieman Foundation ^ | August 03, 2005 | William E. Odom

Posted on 11/18/2005 6:56:32 PM PST by owen_osh

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To: owen_osh

Remember this old fool from his stint on CNN or MSNBC, can't remember which, during the first Gulf War? He was wrong on EVERYTHING then and I see he hasn't changed a bit or learned a thing.


41 posted on 11/18/2005 8:07:16 PM PST by penowa
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To: Sterm26
If I have any problems with the handling of the war, it's that we're not being ruthless enough.

I agree.

W has no balls.

FDR and HST had more guts than any Republican Administration.

People say that "we are at war."

Well, why not win the friggin "war"?America keeps taking sucker punches from those orchestrating the "war" in DC.

The folks in DC and especially W, do not remember how to WIN a "war."

I'd take the gloves off, and for every IED explozion, I'd MOAB a mosque.

In WWII, we bombed the shit out of Dresden, Germany, Berlin, Hiroshima, Nagasaki... killing millions of people.

Today? We're playing "hanky-friggin-panky" with terrorists.

The way this excuse of a "war" is being waged, it will never end. Anyone remember Korea? Viet Nam? We never went to "war."

If I were Rummy, I'd quit, and turn the entire military over to John Kerry, and then commit suicide.

This PC mentality in DC is mental masturbation.

/rant

42 posted on 11/18/2005 8:08:00 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

We are paying the price because for years the U.S. would not have the fortitude to hang in against a long, drawn out engagement. Our enemies saw that we had become an A.D.D. nation. They have yet to be convinced that they are wrong in this. And so we are guaranteed one long, drawn-out and bloody engagement after another until they see it does NOT work. SO WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE? I say HERE. NOW.


43 posted on 11/18/2005 8:08:27 PM PST by jdsteel (I need a new tag line!!!)
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To: grey_whiskers

A small aside: One of South Park episode's had Cartman, I think, dying to see a band called "the Raging Pussies" Looks like you found a photo of one of the band members.


44 posted on 11/18/2005 8:14:23 PM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: owen_osh

If that was the authors title, he can't have expected to be taken seriously.


45 posted on 11/18/2005 8:16:02 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: grey_whiskers
To bad John Kerry's father didn't pull out.
46 posted on 11/18/2005 8:23:32 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (America needs more SAC and less empty sacs.)
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To: owen_osh
Questions for the administration: "Why do the Iranians support our presence in Iraq today? Why do they tell the Shiite leaders to avoid a sectarian clash between Sunnis and Shiites? Given all the money and weapons they provide Shiite groups, why are they not stirring up more trouble for the US? Will Iranian policy change once a Shiite majority has the reins of government? Would it not be better to pull out now rather than to continue our present course of weakening the Sunnis and Baathists, opening the way for a Shiite dictatorship?"

The Iranians want us to stay in Iraq? One of many fabrications littered though out his analysis. Iran is stirring up trouble in the manner consistent with how they've operated the past 30 years. By using surrogates as much as possible and financing what they can.

Even though there is plenty of leftist ideology throughout, he really gives himself away here by blatantly stating it would be better to let the baathist rule and start saddam II. Yes communism will work some day, some where. It won't lead to starvation, mass murder and tyranny. See, I listened in college.

Imposing a liberal constitutional order in Iraq would be to accomplish something that has never been done before. Of all the world's political cultures, an Arab-Muslim one may be the most resistant to such a change of any in the world.

The left cannot contain their inherent bigotry and elitism. If these people have no ability to govern themselves in a civilized manner, then we don't get the opportunity to forever ignore the region because of the lands ability to accumulate wealth through oil. If what he suggests are true, then Darwin has the inside track on how this one ends up.

47 posted on 11/18/2005 8:23:38 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: Cobra64; Sterm26; DTogo; TomasUSMC; neutronsgalore

"If I have any problems with the handling of the war, it's that we're not being ruthless enough.

I agree.

W has no balls.

FDR and HST had more guts than any Republican Administration.

People say that "we are at war."

Well, why not win the friggin "war"?America keeps taking sucker punches from those orchestrating the "war" in DC.

The folks in DC and especially W, do not remember how to WIN a "war."

I'd take the gloves off, and for every IED explozion, I'd MOAB a mosque.

In WWII, we bombed the shit out of Dresden, Germany, Berlin, Hiroshima, Nagasaki... killing millions of people.

Today? We're playing "hanky-friggin-panky" with terrorists.

The way this excuse of a "war" is being waged, it will never end. Anyone remember Korea? Viet Nam? We never went to "war."

If I were Rummy, I'd quit, and turn the entire military over to John Kerry, and then commit suicide.

This PC mentality in DC is mental masturbation.

/rant"

AMEN!


48 posted on 11/18/2005 8:27:38 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (America needs more SAC and less empty sacs.)
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To: Cobra64

Excellent rant.

PC will kill us.


49 posted on 11/18/2005 8:27:52 PM PST by abigailsmybaby ("This is the sort of English up with which I will not put." Winston Churchill)
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To: Jim Robinson

Owen is a RINO at best. A blubbering lib more likely.


50 posted on 11/18/2005 8:32:43 PM PST by satchmodog9 ( Seventy million spent on the lefts Christmas present and all they got was a Scooter)
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To: owen_osh
Lieutenant General William E. Odom, U.S. Army (Ret.), is a Senior Fellow with Hudson Institute

You can translate that as head cheerleader for the New World Order.

51 posted on 11/18/2005 8:40:27 PM PST by Biblebelter
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To: owen_osh
Too bad today's Democrats were not in charge of the Congress in 1941-1945.

Just imagine a world with no Jews, no blacks, no bilingual schools(only German).

I fear the Democrats much more than Al Qaeda!!

52 posted on 11/18/2005 8:43:49 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: owen_osh

The Lieutenant General is a small strategic thinker. His is a 2 year plan, not a solution to the problem.


53 posted on 11/18/2005 8:55:35 PM PST by glorgau
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To: owen_osh
A child could successfully counter the arguments presented in this article. For example, the statement, "There is no question the insurgents and other anti-American parties will take over the government once we leave."

No question? Really? It may be true that the new Iraq might not choose to closely ally itself with the US, but that is its option as a sovereign nation--even one without former 'insurgents' (oh, how I hate that term) in power. To make the statement the author did, unequivocally and absolutely, is the most rudimentary fallacy one can imagine. And it goes downhill from there. And yes, Virginia, the term 'hyperpower' is hyperbole, coined by our buddies the French, and credibility does matter in world affairs. This guy wouldn't make it on the freshman debating team.
54 posted on 11/18/2005 9:02:29 PM PST by Rembrandt_fan
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To: owen_osh

Hey stupid, the Islamists want us dead, ya unnerstand? Ya never cowere infront of a bully, ya see? We are gonna kill 'em, ya get it? now shaddup.


55 posted on 11/18/2005 9:10:27 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: owen_osh
It is rapid withdrawal, re-establishing strong relations with our allies in Europe, showing confidence in the UN Security Council, and trying to knit together a large coalition including the major states of Europe, Japan, South Korea, China, and India to back a strategy for stabilizing the area from the eastern Mediterranean to Afghanistan and Pakistan

John Kerry's talking points.

56 posted on 11/18/2005 9:13:46 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Jim Robinson

Honestly Jim, I think this is a strategy hatched by the Dems to drag defeat from the jaws of Victory.

Soon, very soon, the Iraqi Army will be up to strength. The Americans will pull back to remote bases to be high tech border guards where our superior technology and firepower will close off the country.

Now the fight is between Islamofacists and freely elected Iraqis. The terrorists will no longer be killing “Crusaders”. They will be killing (even more than they are now) Arabs.

I predict a sudden shift away from support in the manner that happened in Jordan recently.

The Dems, seeing this coming, are trying desperately to prevent what will surely become the crown jewel in Bushes foreign policy.

But then, when you don’t have a policy or vision, only slogans, you are doomed in a fair fight.

Cheers,

knews hound

http://knewshound.blogspot.com/


57 posted on 11/18/2005 9:20:12 PM PST by knews_hound (i know my typing sucks, i do it one handed ! (caps are especially tough))
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To: owen_osh
So, are we left with the option that the Anti-war folks preferred --Saddam's "containment" by the world community?

Pre-War "containment" of Saddam failed more each day.

1. The oil-for-food program was corrupt
2. The weapons inspections were a farce
3. US and allied planes were targeted
4. Uninspected flights to Baghdad gutted the sanctions
5. Terrorists were training in Iraq
6. Saddam brutalized our fellow human beings

Saddam was thumbing his nose at decent people as he rewarded his collaborators.

Bush interrupted Saddam's staging of a comeback.

58 posted on 11/18/2005 10:03:09 PM PST by syriacus (I'll take our success at liberating Iraq, over the "world community's" success at containing Saddam.)
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To: fallujah-nuker
FDR and HST had more guts than any Republican Administration.

Except Lincoln.

Suspension of Habeus Corpus, Federal troops to quell rioting in Baltimore, allowing Sherman to "make Georgia howl"...

Try reading the Maryland State Anthem ("the despot's heel is on thy shore, Maryland") and then reflect that it was talking about ol' Abe.

Cheers!

59 posted on 11/18/2005 10:03:47 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: owen_osh

There is no question the insurgents and other anti-American parties will take over the government once we leave.

I got $20.00 that says it don't happen.


60 posted on 11/18/2005 10:05:50 PM PST by Valin (Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum)
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