IRAQ WAR SHOWDOWN ON HILL -- PULLOUT DEBATE ON CSPAN NOW

The Rats pay people to call C-SPAN....who would have figured!

I'd like to know who the five Republican 'nay' votes are?!

Yeah. I seldom watch the call in part on CSPAN any more. It's so stacked. democrats/repubulican and others. It was better IMO when there was no segregation.

Catchup for Always Right, sorry for the length.

First of all, I am the last one who would want to smear a former Marine... when he acts like a Marine, that is.

Repeats what he did say last May... with Pelosi:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/specialreports/iraq/s_192988.html

October 23, 2003
The "NO" Vote - Peterson, Murtha Screws Our Soldiers
http://www.seamuspress.com/archives/rep_john_murtha/

Excerpt:
Peterson wasn't the only Pennsylvania legislator opposed to the pay raise for soldiers. Murtha (D) not only voted against it but he also argued against it on the floor. Murtha also voted to raise his own pay (but didn't even bother to change it afterwards). I suppose that adding to their individual wealth is more important to them than helping out the soldiers they put at risk (remember both of these hypocrits supported the war).

I find his decision interesting (not just because he gave it with Pelosi either); Check out who his top contributors have been, then go to top industries and to the 2005-2006 profile:

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/allcontrib.asp?CID=N00001408

MSM Silent On Murtha's 2004 Statement Calling Iraq War "Unwinnable"
http://www.anklebitingpundits.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2680

Marines: The Media Don't Show What America is Getting For Our Sacrifice
http://media.nationalreview.com/082793.asp

From Murtha's website:

Congressman Murtha has worked hard to bring thousands of long-term, family-sustaining jobs to Western Pennsylvania. With the disappearance of the coal and steel jobs that for more than a century were the lifeblood of the area, he pushed the region in a new direction, intent on diversifying the economy to help insulate it from future shocks. In the early 1990s, new companies in an industry unfamiliar in Western Pennsylvania - defense - began to spring up, bringing more than 5,000 jobs to the district he represents. He founded the House Steel Caucus and has brought millions of dollars to the United Mine Workers to retrain displaced miners and train new miners.

The above is from his web site. He represents the defeated, rotting industrial heart of Pennsylvania. Losing is an attitude. What pet pork project did his district not get? There has to be something really interesting to this flip flop. (From another thread)

Must have: Murthas pointfive column (satire) with links:
http://pointfiveblog.com/index.php/2005/11/517

The numbers of wounded lie (excellent):
http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/003835.html

What happens if we leave?
http://truckinwifi.com/wordpress/?p=65

How To Lose A War: The Sequel (Ollie North)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1524283/posts

John Murtha, the congressman who calls for the immediate withdrawl of troops from Iraq ACTUALLY VOTED FOR RE-INSTATING THE MILITARY DRAFT!!!

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2004/roll494.xml

Some thoughts from an Iraqi on The Murtha Moment:

It is really strange when a US representative says something like this few weeks after the elected Iraqi government demanded from the UN to extend the mission of coalition forces for another year; apparently my government (and I) do not think that US military presence is harmful for us and the Arab League also thinks that an immediate withdrawal would be disastrous for Iraq and the region. And correct me if I’m wrong but I think I heard a few days ago that the US senate rejected a law that demanded setting a timetable for troops withdrawal (58 vs. 40, right?) let alone an immediate one. However, I agree with Mr. Murtha that some people in Iraq would benefit from an immediate withdrawal but that would be al-Qaeda and there are also countries in the region that would benefit from that too but these would be Syria and Iran!
http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/
Read the Whole Thing.

Spread this far and wide:
http://sgthook.com/2005/11/17/taste-of-freedom/

Taste of Freedom

I received an email from a mother whose son is currently fighting in Iraq with the 101st Airborne Division. He and his platoon have penned a message to the American public that is a little different from the message we are getting via the MSM. He asked his mom to help get this message out and she asked me. Here it is from the soldiers on the ground…

Mom,

Be my voice. I want this message heard. It is mine and my platoon’s to the country. A man I know lost his legs the other night. He is in another company in our batallion. I can no longer be silent after watching the sacrifices made by Iraqis and Americans everyday.Send it to a congressman if you have to. Send it to FOX news if you have to. Let this message be heard please…

My fellow Americans, I have a task for those with the courage and fortitude to take it. I have a message that needs not fall on deaf ears. A vision the blind need to see. I am not a political man nor one with great wisdom. I am just a soldier who finds himself helping rebuild a country that he helped liberate a couple years ago.
I have watched on television how the American public questions why their mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters are fighting and dying in a country 9000 miles away from their own soil. Take the word of a soldier, for that is all I am, that our cause is a noble one. The reason we are here is one worth fighting for. A cause that has been the most costly and sought after cause in our small span of existence on our little planet. Bought in blood and paid for by those brave enough to give the ultimate sacrifice to obtain it. A right that is given to every man, woman, and child I believe by God. I am talking of freedom.

Freedom. One word but yet countless words could never capture it’s true meaning or power. “For those who have fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know.” I read that once and it couldn’t be more true. It’s not the average American’s fault that he or she is “blind and deaf” to the taste of freedom. Most American’s are born into their God given right so it is all they ever know. I was once one of them. I would even dare to say that it isn’t surprising that they take for granted what they have had all their life. My experiences in the military however opened my eyes to the truth.

Ironically you will find the biggest outcries of opposition to our cause from those who have had no military experience and haven’t had to fight for freedom. I challenge all of those who are daring enough to question such a noble cause to come here for just a month and see it first hand. I have a feeling that many voices would be silenced.

I watched Cindy Sheehan sit on the President’s lawn and say that America isn’t worth dying for. Later she corrected herself and said Iraq isn’t worth dying for. She badmouthed all that her son had fought and died for. I bet he is rolling over in his grave.

Ladies and gentleman I ask you this. What if you lived in a country that wasn’t free? What if someone told you when you could have heat, electricity, and water? What if you had no sewage systems so human waste flowed into the streets? What if someone would kill you for bad-mouthing your government? What if you weren’t allowed to watch TV, connect to the internet, or have cell phones unless under extreme censorship? What if you couldn’t put shoes on your child’s feet?

You need not to have a great understanding of the world but rather common sense to realize that it is our duty as HUMAN BEINGS to free the oppressed. If you lived that way would you not want someone to help you????

The Iraqi’s pour into the streets to wave at us and when we liberated the cities during the war they gathered in the thousands to cheer, hug and kiss us. It was what the soldier’s in WW2 experienced, yet no one questioned their cause!! Saddam was no better than Hitler! He tortured and killed thousands of innocent people. We are heroes over here, yet American’s badmouth our President for having us here.

Every police station here has a dozen or more memorials for officers that were murdered trying to ensure that their people live free. These are husbands, fathers, and sons killed every day. What if it were your country? What would your choice be? Everything we fight for is worth the blood that may be shed. The media never reports the true HEROISM I witness everyday in the Iraqi’s. Yes there are bad one’s here, but I assure you they are a minuscule percent. Yet they are a number big enough to cause worry in this country’s future.
I have watched brave souls give their all and lose thier lives and limbs for this cause. I will no longer stand silent and let the “deaf and blind” be the only voice shouting. Stonewall Jackson once said, “All that I have, all that I am is at the service of the country.” For these brave souls who gave the ultimate sacrifice, including your son Cindy Sheehan, I will shout till I can no longer. These men and women are heroes. Their spirit lives on in their military and they will never be forgotten. They did not die in vain but rather for a cause that is larger than all of us.

My fellow countrymen and women, we are not overseas for our country alone but also another. We are here to spread democracy and freedom to those who KNOW the true taste of it because they fight for it everyday. You can see the desire in their eyes and I am honored to fight alongside them as an Infantryman in the 101st Airborne.

Freedom is not free, but yet it is everyone’s right to have. Ironic isn’t it? That is why we are here. Though you will always have the skeptics, I know that most of our military will agree with this message. Please, at the request of this soldier spread this message to all you know. We are in Operation Iraqi Freedom and that is our goal. It is a cause that I and thousands of others stand ready to pay the ultimate sacrifice for because, Cindy Sheehan, freedom is worth dying for, no matter what country it is! And after the world is free only then can we hope to have peace.

SGT XXX and 1st Platoon
101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)

LOL!

Glad you understand this...LOL!

Back in the 70's Murtha would have been called a "baby-killer".

LOL...not sure- but I saw a flag donated by Shirley Jackson-Lee

GOLD STAR FATHER ON FOX NOW..

This is the second of three votes. This is the vote on rules. Next comes the actual debate and vote.

-PJ

You mean seminar callers? Who'da thunk it!

Nevermind those interuptions from the Senate announcing that they are serving chicken in the commisary.

ATTENTION:

11:45 PST the President will be speaking to the troops carried Live on FOX tonight.

Yeah, right....my husband, who doesn't usually pay much attention to this stuff, just said....."Look at that, 2 Repubs have already voted YES, while the Dems NEVER have a vote OPPOSITE of what they want."

Calling all your e-thug friends I see. I'm sure they'll be here as soon as they get their marching orders from Boot Hill.

Aw...if you need some of your thugs for support her, let me help...

Now, don't you feel better with your La Raza/MeCHa homies backing you up?

Yup...they all look like votes for Tancredo...just like you and your OBL morons here, right?

Doug, a better analogy would be the Federalists, an elite, New England-based party that died after 1815 because of its rabid anti-war positions. The Whigs died because they would not deal with the main issue of the day, slavery---but neither would the Dems, so that was a wash. But the Federalists were on the opposite side of public opinion, which was anti-British.

Now he's their poster child.

All this voting on whether or not to vote on a resolution that they need to then vote on?

So this is not THE VOTE?

What are they currently voting on?

I'd be looked at funmy for trying to explain it.

Guy on the Dem call in line right now?
He called in just a few seconds ago.
The bong hit choker.